The Limerick County Board would be better off getting there own house in order instead of all this cribbing in the national media.
My only qualm with the league structure is the fact there is a play-off final for promotion. It should the run the same as any other league where the top team gets promoted and thatâs it. It does make the league itself a bit pointless if it all comes down to one match at the end.
As I said previously if Wexford & Offaly got their structures in order then 1B would be fine and competitive.
[quote=âThe Runt, post: 760260, member: 181â]The Limerick County Board would be better off getting there own house in order instead of all this cribbing in the national media.
My only qualm with the league structure is the fact there is a play-off final for promotion. It should the run the same as any other league where the top team gets promoted and thatâs it. It does make the league itself a bit pointless if it all comes down to one match at the end.
As I said previously if Wexford & Offaly got their structures in order then 1B would be fine and competitive.[/quote]
I think the following should be done, the bottom team gets relegated, no play off, no crying, no whinging, just relegated thatâs it. The team that finishes second last goes into a playoff with the team the finished second in the league below and the team that finished top in the league below get promoted automatically and that goes for all divisions. In the top division they can then have semi finals with the top 4 teams. 
To any teams not in the top league or complaining about not getting enough games against top teams and the reason for that is your shit, simple as that. If ya want to play the top counties then get the finger out of your arses and start improving.
[quote=âtazdedub, post: 760301, member: 312â]
To any teams not in the top league or complaining about not getting enough games against top teams and the reason for that is your shit, simple as that. If ya want to play the top counties then get the finger out of your arses and start improving.[/quote]
Not whinging about limerick before carryharry has a go, but for that to happen the team in the lower division has to improve to be better than a team in the higher division. Essentially, in a system where they get lower quality games they have to improve past better teams. Itâs possible but why put all those barriers there?
You are also accepting in that outlook that there will only be 6 teams deserving of the higher level, everyone else you have branded âshitâ. How do you grow a sport where the system is stacked towards only having 6 good teams?!
Itâs a stupid system.
[quote=âglasagusban, post: 760307, member: 1533â]Not whinging about limerick before carryharry has a go, but for that to happen the team in the lower division has to improve to be better than a team in the higher division. Essentially, in a system where they get lower quality games they have to improve past better teams. Itâs possible but why put all those barriers there?
You are also accepting in that outlook that there will only be 6 teams deserving of the higher level, everyone else you have branded âshitâ. How do you grow a sport where the system is stacked towards only having 6 good teams?!
Itâs a stupid system.[/quote]
Look if you are not in the top division then you are not good enough to be there. Unfortunately Limerick did get shafted with the changes but they had a chance this year and lost the play off game by a point. By right as I said above they should have been promoted and Dublin should have gone into a play off against Cork or Clare, whichever one of those 2 finished second last. The team that finishes bottom should be relegated without a play off. That would be fairer on everyone.
What barriers are in place to stop the weaker teams from gaining promotion to the higher leagues? The only barriers I see are they ones that those that counties put in the way themselves. If the counties got their acts together then yeah they could get promoted to the higher leagues and then make hurling more competitive that just the usual Top 6 as you say.
Fuck off Ye cunts⌠This will all be forgotten about when we blow Tipp off the park in June.
A lot of managers are complaining about the lack of games in both 1A and 1B
Division 1B is doing no favours to any of the teams in it. You essentially have two teams every year who can sleepwalk through the division to the final. You have two traditional counties, Wexford and Offaly, who are in danger of slipping into the doldrums for a long time. And then you have two developing counties who have to realistically beat 3 out of 4 traditional counties to have a hope of getting anywhere, but will more than likely end up playing a relegation final at the end of it all and being consigned to the scrapheap again at the end of the year. Cork or Limerick will go up next year and Laois will go down and Carlow will probably come up. Carlow by the way should have drawn with Limerick this year and Offaly needed a last minute goal to see them off, yet Carlow are back playing the heavyweights of Kerry, Derry and Westmeath next year. Thatâs progress for you, Ger. If Offaly or Wexford get their act together they could beat Limerick or Cork to a divisional final, but I fear that will be from teams being dragged down to their level rather than OY or WX making progress.
Personally I would go for an 8-team Division 1 (with a single game against each county), along with a 6-team Division 2 where everyone plays a home and away game. An 8 team Division 1 wouldnât overly dilute the competitiveness. Iâm going on the assumption that less counties in D2 would be more competitive, especially when you have 2 traditional counties at any time and 4 developing counties. Home and away in D2 means you are also giving counties in this division the advantage of having more matches. I would have two-up, two-down between D1 & D2, but perhaps just one up, one-down between D2 & D3 to try and retain a bit of quality in that division. Below that Iâm afraid my knowledge of hurling in those counties wouldnât be good to offer an opinion on what they need from the league.
Everyone has their own suggestion on how the league should be run, so thereâs my own. All I know is that while everyone is lauding how great Division 1A is, Division 1B
[quote=âtazdedub, post: 760321, member: 312â]Look if you are not in the top division then you are not good enough to be there. Unfortunately Limerick did get shafted with the changes but they had a chance this year and lost the play off game by a point. By right as I said above they should have been promoted and Dublin should have gone into a play off against Cork or Clare, whichever one of those 2 finished second last. The team that finishes bottom should be relegated without a play off. That would be fairer on everyone.
What barriers are in place to stop the weaker teams from gaining promotion to the higher leagues? The only barriers I see are they ones that those that counties put in the way themselves. If the counties got their acts together then yeah they could get promoted to the higher leagues and then make hurling more competitive that just the usual Top 6 as you say.[/quote]
I agree on the first part.
Do you not see whatâs wrong with what youâre saying with the second part? How hard is it for teams playing in a lower division to overtake teams that play at a higher level? And if they do all youâre doing is replacing one top 6 county with another, youâre not expanding the pool of beyond 6. Meantime only one, possibly two if its changed can go up per year. That means most of division 2 are going to be stuck there for a good few years and let you tell you they are not getting any better down there.
Ye beating Tipp would be nearly worth it to stop ye moaning!
[quote=âThe Lopper, post: 760327, member: 1557â]A lot of managers are complaining about the lack of games in both 1A and 1B
Division 1B is doing no favours to any of the teams in it. You essentially have two teams every year who can sleepwalk through the division to the final. You have two traditional counties, Wexford and Offaly, who are in danger of slipping into the doldrums for a long time. And then you have two developing counties who have to realistically beat 3 out of 4 traditional counties to have a hope of getting anywhere, but will more than likely end up playing a relegation final at the end of it all and being consigned to the scrapheap again at the end of the year. Cork or Limerick will go up next year and Laois will go down and Carlow will probably come up. Carlow by the way should have drawn with Limerick this year and Offaly needed a last minute goal to see them off, yet Carlow are back playing the heavyweights of Kerry, Derry and Westmeath next year. Thatâs progress for you, Ger. If Offaly or Wexford get their act together they could beat Limerick or Cork to a divisional final, but I fear that will be from teams being dragged down to their level rather than OY or WX making progress.
Personally I would go for an 8-team Division 1 (with a single game against each county), along with a 6-team Division 2 where everyone plays a home and away game. An 8 team Division 1 wouldnât overly dilute the competitiveness. Iâm going on the assumption that less counties in D2 would be more competitive, especially when you have 2 traditional counties at any time and 4 developing counties. Home and away in D2 means you are also giving counties in this division the advantage of having more matches. I would have two-up, two-down between D1 & D2, but perhaps just one up, one-down between D2 & D3 to try and retain a bit of quality in that division. Below that Iâm afraid my knowledge of hurling in those counties wouldnât be good to offer an opinion on what they need from the league.
Everyone has their own suggestion on how the league should be run, so thereâs my own. All I know is that while everyone is lauding how great Division 1A is, Division 1B[/quote]
You havenât a clue
Not wrong.
Shur the clubs can go fuck themselves too. :rolleyes:
Ok⌠How about a 4-team division 1 and all the other counties can play football?
Offaly and Wexford would stand to suffer the most if the 8 team league is re-established. The current system is certainly much preferable for them. If they do produce a good side then they should be able to challenge Limerick and one of the stronger counties for a place in the 1B final. If they canât ever get past either of those to even get to a final, maybe playing a 1A team wonât help that much either.
Whatever happens I hope the 8 team system doesnât return. In that scenario, the stronger sides in Div2 will get just one game against another relatively high quality side, and then theyâll play them again in the final. Youâre running a real risk there of condemning a team to long spells in the wilderness. In the current system, the top 1B sides are at least getting three games against a good quality opponent and then a final if they get to it.
An integrated 1A/1B top flight with quarter-finals seems the most likely outcome if the county boards pile on the pressure. I think most people could live with that.
I believe the relegation structure changes somewhat next year with the bottom of 1A playing the top side in 1B. That allows for even less margin for error. If Limerick and Cork were to meet in the first round then the loser has very little to play for in the remainder of the league
I saw OâGrady suggesting that yesterday. Thatâs obviously much worse for the 1B sides but it probably sums up where the establishment thinking is. The worry for them is protecting the traditional sides, as opposed to the damage being done to weaker counties like Limerick.
[quote=âWatch The Break, post: 760342, member: 260â]Offaly and Wexford would stand to suffer the most if the 8 team league is re-established. The current system is certainly much preferable for them. If they do produce a good side then they should be able to challenge Limerick and one of the stronger counties for a place in the 1B final. If they canât ever get past either of those to even get to a final, maybe playing a 1A team wonât help that much either.
Whatever happens I hope the 8 team system doesnât return. In that scenario, the stronger sides in Div2 will get just one game against another relatively high quality side, and then theyâll play them again in the final. Youâre running a real risk there of condemning a team to long spells in the wilderness. In the current system, the top 1B sides are at least getting three games against a good quality opponent and then a final if they get to it.
An integrated 1A/1B top flight with quarter-finals seems the most likely outcome if the county boards pile on the pressure. I think most people could live with that.[/quote]
An 8 team structure with two up two down would be a vast improvement. That would still be highly competitive and should prevent counties being stuck in Division 2 for years on end. Interesting that a few managers have suggested a 10 team league and players have said they want more games. This would expand the pool of contenders but marginalise Antrim/Laois/Carlow more.
I think the best compromise would be two equally seeded groups of 6, with semi finals, and the bottom two playing off for relegation. There would still be 4 counties with few enough games, but itâs a fairer league structure and what should be looked at next is more games in the championship.
Serious? Ah jaysus. :mad:
Some amount of bullshit being spouted on this thread.
+1. Theyâre ruining promotion for me.