That is where the Jordan crying meme came out of a few years back. Which Iād say pisses the shit out of Jordan.
Some speculate that he has a drinking problem. But Michael says itās not a drinking problem, he just has a competition problem
Brilliant show. Jordan is a legendā¦ Still sowing into lads years later despite destroying all comers on the court. You simply donāt reach those sustained heights year in, year out, without being extremely selfish and being a bit of a cunt. Thatās the trade off you usually have to take. Not fat Ronaldo is of the same mouldā¦ Brady is too.
There has to be some Irish in his DNA that he holds grudges so long. Itās brilliant to see.
Apologies if already said here but why did this doc take so long to be released?.. Mad to have that footage about for so longā¦ Was there a dispute or did someone have to die before it could be aired?
Jordan suppressed it for 20 years to get back at the security guard who beat him at quarters just to spite him
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Rumours that MJ agreed to it as he felt the warriors record breaking team had taken the spotlight off his bulls.
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Hopefully thatās true.
Iāve only seen up to three so can only comment up to that.
I donāt think the doc is a hatchet job on him, they make regular mention of Jordan and Scottieās disdain for him but that was well known and has been since the time,
He is actually spoken of in fond enough terms by others in the documentaries and his role in the creation of the team is well acknowledged, Oakley for Cartwright is rightly recognized as a huge turning point for the organization and is given time,
Youād be cringing looking at the two stars belittling him though, real nasty stuff
How big was Jackson influence? Is it fair to say he had two of the 3 best basketballers ever when winning championships with the bulls and the lakers. Or was he a genius?
I havenāt watched basketball since BBC showed lakers celtics bird v magic games on a Sunday nightā¦
Jordan was all about winning - ā¦anything or anyone that fucked with it got it in the neck.
Damn straight. My first US sports jersey was a jordan 23 (itll also be my next) and i remember staying up as a young lad to watch the flu game. Jordan gambled, drank, and competed like hell. God be with those days compared to the snowflakes out there now in sports.
And held grudges. You love to see it.
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Supposedly some of the central characters give him praise at the end of the series that we havenāt arrived at yet.
The David Halberstam quote still goes around about him which appears to be on the money, āKrause should have got more credit than he did but wanted more than he deservedā.
Krause is no angel in the piece. He quite clearly wanted to blow things up and start with his guys. He was trying to bring in Floyd for years. You donāt tell someone like Phil Jackson that you want him out. You donāt tell the media that you looked at trading Scottie Pippen.
Thereās balance to be had, he did make some good decisions early on but the reality is with basketball that the centre piece make at least 70% of the difference and that was Jordan.
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A woman is conspicuously absent from Jordan story thus far. 
No mention of hsi wifeā¦ I thought I saw two kids of his in one brief clip when they went to Europe for exhibition gameā¦
He made a pretty significant difference. He made them a more complete team.
I agree, krauses personality meant he was in awe of few so he could make some great moves like getting jackson in. But it was also his weak point, he didnāt need to be getting into spats with players or over estimating himself. No issue with pippens contract sports is business, but imagine there was a twitter back then.
On phil jackson he seemed to be a great facilitator and instilled the teamwork concept, jordan wasnāt going to suggest that on his own. but not a magician and he couldnāt turn the knicks around. But i donāt know enough about him.
I rooted this up from the bottom of my book stack, read a few chapters of it once and got sidetracked, will go at it again tonight
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Fair enough, Just curious.when you see Messi and some of the bang average managers who have won leagues with barcaā¦ like you said the centre piece make at least 70% of the difference and he had Jordan and kobeā¦ Were lakers there thereabouts before Jackson arrived?
It has been alleged that Jordan was/is a serial womaniser and was a pioneer of using non disclosure agreements when on the road with the Bulls. Image is everything to Michael Jordan inc.
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His suits are like something fitted in des Kelly carpetsā¦
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They had kobe and shaq at the height of their powers
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Anything worth watching on Netflix lads?
379 posts about hoop-shooters has done for me. Thx in advance.
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