Anyway, to answer the point you made, I don’t see any logical rationale for disliking Keane other than his background. I don’t recall vitriol being directed at anyone else for goal celebrations, particularly when they’re inoffensive. There were large sectors of the general public who weren’t happy seeing him doing well for some reason. In the absence of him actually being an arsehole (apart from Kev’s mysterious and unsupported dressing room evidence) I can’t see anything other than his background being the cause.
[quote=“Rocko, post: 856226, member: 1”]@dancarter - Why do you keep deleting your posts?
Anyway, to answer the point you made, I don’t see any logical rationale for disliking Keane other than his background. I don’t recall vitriol being directed at anyone else for goal celebrations, particularly when they’re inoffensive. There were large sectors of the general public who weren’t happy seeing him doing well for some reason. In the absence of him actually being an arsehole (apart from Kev’s mysterious and unsupported dressing room evidence) I can’t see anything other than his background being the cause.[/quote]
I think people don’t like him as for years he came across a bit flash…Irish people generally like their sportsmen to be manly, humble and honest…not moaning at referees and his teammates for his mistakes or downing alco pops while singing boyzone in a karaoke bar… that would be my guess as to why he’s not as popular as he should be with his record… …its more a reflection of the Irish mindset to sport… I think its the same reason why the majority of GAA folk hate the dubs…again they are perceived as flashy and arrogant…I don’t think its anything to do with Keane not being highborn…as someone else said Dunne is loved because he’s manly and honest in his performances and he grew up in West Tallaght too…
The Dunne one is interesting - he’s an example of someone who was guilty of many of the accusations that were levelled at Keane. It’s to his credit that he turned it around but why was he so accepted straight away when there remains a residue of a grudge against Keane.
I always assumed the majortiy of GAA folk hate the Dubs because they are from Dublin, not because they’re flashy or arrogant. There are no more flashy or arrogant footballers in the country than those from Kerry but they’re not generally hated for some reason. I always assume it’s an anti-Dublin thing.
[quote=“Rocko, post: 856237, member: 1”]The Dunne one is interesting - he’s an example of someone who was guilty of many of the accusations that were levelled at Keane. It’s to his credit that he turned it around but why was he so accepted straight away when there remains a residue of a grudge against Keane.
I always assumed the majortiy of GAA folk hate the Dubs because they are from Dublin, not because they’re flashy or arrogant. There are no more flashy or arrogant footballers in the country than those from Kerry but they’re not generally hated for some reason. I always assume it’s an anti-Dublin thing.[/quote]
Incorrect. It’s the fans people dislike, or more specifically the soccer type hangers on.
Anyone I know who really lives his football and hurling has great time for Dublin GAA people. Personally I think they are the best around from numerous personal experiences.
FYI - My source was not from within the dressing room.
Surely Dunne was a great disappointment for a lot of his career? It was only in 2004 that he really began to turn it around at City and earned an Intl recall. He was even out of favour with Kerr for a lot of his reign if I recall correctly. He really only became a fixture under Staunton in 06/07 at which point the much maligned Robbie was starting to captain his country.
Sure Dunne is viewed most favorably now and rightly so for turning his career around as he did and eventually turning in the performances he was capable of, but I always found it laughable that a Professional athlete got praised for, well, doing his fucking job and being professional.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 856245, member: 273”]Incorrect. It’s the fans people dislike, or more specifically the soccer type hangers on.
Anyone I know who really lives his football and hurling has great time for Dublin GAA people. Personally I think they are the best around from numerous personal experiences.
FYI - My source was not from within the dressing room.[/quote]
Proper Dublin fans are tolerable. It’s the shower of cunts on the Hill that have never been to a club game that ruin it for them.
[quote=“Rocko, post: 856226, member: 1”]@dancarter - Why do you keep deleting your posts?
Anyway, to answer the point you made, I don’t see any logical rationale for disliking Keane other than his background. I don’t recall vitriol being directed at anyone else for goal celebrations, particularly when they’re inoffensive. There were large sectors of the general public who weren’t happy seeing him doing well for some reason. In the absence of him actually being an arsehole (apart from Kev’s mysterious and unsupported dressing room evidence) I can’t see anything other than his background being the cause.[/quote]
Ah you’re off the mark here Rocko. The vast majority of Irish professional footballers come from a working class background-Paul McGrath was an orphan ffs and is probably the biggest hero in the history of Irish soccer. It’s difficult to pinpoint why people, myself included, don’t have a huge amount of time for Keane. His celebrations grated, his constant moaning at the referee and team mates, his playing for his “boyhood club”, etc but none of this is anything new in soccer so it can’t explain fully why a lot of people don’t like him. But they just don’t-that happens sometimes and it’s not always to do with social class.
In saying all that, he has been a super player for Ireland, never misses a match and his goals record speaks for itself. It is only when he is gone that he will be fully appreciated and Ireland are fucked without him because he is the only goalscorer we have. When we are relying on Shane Long and Kevin Doyle to get the goals to qualify us for tournaments, that is when Irish people will truly recognize what a striker Robbie Keane was.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 856245, member: 273”]Incorrect. It’s the fans people dislike, or more specifically the soccer type hangers on.
Anyone I know who really lives his football and hurling has great time for Dublin GAA people. Personally I think they are the best around from numerous personal experiences.
FYI - My source was not from within the dressing room.[/quote]
What’s a soccer type hanger on in the context of a GAA fan?
[quote=“Horsebox, post: 856255, member: 1537”]Ah you’re off the mark here Rocko. The vast majority of Irish professional footballers come from a working class background-Paul McGrath was an orphan ffs and is probably the biggest hero in the history of Irish soccer. It’s difficult to pinpoint why people, myself included, don’t have a huge amount of time for Keane. His celebrations grated, his constant moaning at the referee and team mates, his playing for his “boyhood club”, etc but none of this is anything new in soccer so it can’t explain fully why a lot of people don’t like him. But they just don’t-that happens sometimes and it’s not always to do with social class.
In saying all that, he has been a super player for Ireland, never misses a match and his goals record speaks for itself. It is only when he is gone that he will be fully appreciated and Ireland are fucked without him because he is the only goalscorer we have. When we are relying on Shane Long and Kevin Doyle to get the goals to qualify us for tournaments, that is when Irish people will truly recognize what a striker Robbie Keane was.[/quote]
Well maybe it’s not his background solely, but the way he has aspired to be something else that grates at people. it strikes me that nobody has any problem with a lad from overseas doing somersaults if he scores, but Robbie better not be getting ideas above his station.
Ah yeah but that’s just typical Irish begrudgery-that alone wouldn’t explain the dislike for Keane. It could be something to do with the fact that he has made so much money over his career and many transfers alright-we fucking hate that.
[quote=“Horsebox, post: 856255, member: 1537”]Ah you’re off the mark here Rocko. The vast majority of Irish professional footballers come from a working class background-Paul McGrath was an orphan ffs and is probably the biggest hero in the history of Irish soccer. It’s difficult to pinpoint why people, myself included, don’t have a huge amount of time for Keane. His celebrations grated, his constant moaning at the referee and team mates, his playing for his “boyhood club”, etc but none of this is anything new in soccer so it can’t explain fully why a lot of people don’t like him. But they just don’t-that happens sometimes and it’s not always to do with social class.
In saying all that, he has been a super player for Ireland, never misses a match and his goals record speaks for itself. It is only when he is gone that he will be fully appreciated and Ireland are fucked without him because he is the only goalscorer we have. When we are relying on Shane Long and Kevin Doyle to get the goals to qualify us for tournaments, that is when Irish people will truly recognize what a striker Robbie Keane was.[/quote]
the poster calling himself Mac once said Arsene Wegner was nuts for not buying Doyle:D
[quote=“Rocko, post: 856237, member: 1”]The Dunne one is interesting - he’s an example of someone who was guilty of many of the accusations that were levelled at Keane. It’s to his credit that he turned it around but why was he so accepted straight away when there remains a residue of a grudge against Keane.
I always assumed the majortiy of GAA folk hate the Dubs because they are from Dublin, not because they’re flashy or arrogant. There are no more flashy or arrogant footballers in the country than those from Kerry but they’re not generally hated for some reason. I always assume it’s an anti-Dublin thing.[/quote]
[quote=“Rocko, post: 856237, member: 1”]The Dunne one is interesting - he’s an example of someone who was guilty of many of the accusations that were levelled at Keane. It’s to his credit that he turned it around but why was he so accepted straight away when there remains a residue of a grudge against Keane.
I always assumed the majortiy of GAA folk hate the Dubs because they are from Dublin, not because they’re flashy or arrogant. There are no more flashy or arrogant footballers in the country than those from Kerry but they’re not generally hated for some reason. I always assume it’s an anti-Dublin thing.[/quote]
maybe but I think there is a blind hatred for Dublin that goes beyond the fans…the arrogant city slickers…its like when the Heineken cup was in full flow most neutrals would have sided with Munster because they were perceived to be a humble hard working bunch…salt o the earth type characters whereas Leinster were seen as snobby and arrogant…the Bull Hayes was put up as the man who’d be turning hay before grabbing his gear to go to thomond…leinster now put up Sean O brien as that - the man who bought a trailer for his sheep/cows or whatever 4 legged animal it is and who will be at the ploughing championships every year…the quite man Sean Kelly was always more popular than Stephen Roche … I think its definitely the Irish sporting mindset…they hate a lad who likes the attention…
I was trying to plot Arsenals demise mate. As a fully fledged member of the Arsenal supporters club now I think it’s the best decision Wenger ever made.
Ah I wouldn’t worry about it, buddy-it’s the same in most countries where the capital city is concerned. That can be applied to London, Paris, New York(not a capital I know). Take it as a backhanded compliment.
