No, your point was that it wasnāt a free which it was. Also are you really saying that the referee didnt see the pulling that went on before and only saw the āRTEā replay? Holy fook.
When I saw it on the replay initially I thought it was a free, you could see McLaughlin pull at Broganās arm right at the start of the clip. Then Bandage confirmed last night that the dragging occurred as soon as Brogan tried to lose his marker and cross the pitch, which tallied to what I saw.
Also, the RTE clowns seemed to place a lot of emphasis on the fact that giving the free robbed us of a replay which would have been good for everyone involved, and seem to hint that it didnāt matter if it was a free or not.
What a shower of retards.
I purport to know it was for a fucking foul that I saw live, in realtime, with mine own eyeballs that didnāt need replaying to tell me it was a cunting foul. Obviously the same foul the referee saw but RTE commentators didnāt. Are you saying they are right and Bandage, Mick Wallace & the referee are wrong?
GAA referees donāt as a rule face the media to explain decisions. I imagine he gave the free because it was a blatant and cynical foul.
My point was that I didnāt think it was free. I felt that that would be the consensus but seemingly I was wrong. But, if you re-read the thread, farmer, youāll see that I do make the point that if that is what is considered a free, there should be many more per game - am I only allowed make one point per thread?
Thatās not what I said about the referee either. Iām saying we donāt know at what point of the contact between the two players the ref decided there was a foul. You yourself didnāt see what went on before the RTE replays because you werenāt there.
Bit unnecessarily aggressive Iād have said.
Yes, from what I saw, I think anybody who thinks a free should have been given is wrong because I donāt think it should have been. But obviously I didnāt see the part before RTE picked it up so there could have been a foul there.
Farmer had a great view from the Top of the Hill of Tara
So what makes you think he only saw the bit of the RTE replay?
Thatās an appalling argument by you clarkey.
I havenāt said that I think he only saw the bit of the RTE replay?
Iām saying if he saw that part and the preceding part which the cameras didnāt pick up, we donāt know at what point he thought it was a free.
Good point, well made mate.
Hereās a mad theory - he thought it was a free when the free actually occurred.
Wrong , when the āfoulā occurred.
That is mad. Heās more likely to have thought it was a free when the foul he perceived actually occurred.
Genuine question - when do you think the foul actually occurred? Three obvious options:
A combination of 1 and 2.
Ok then - did it not dawn on you that he gave the free when the foul occurred?
Iāll put up what Iāve just said to Appendage on Chat.
17:20ClarkeyCat
im baffled by why people dont understand what im saying
i didnt think there was enough in it to merit a free
and think we would have an extremely boring stop start game if every similar incident was punished with a free
but didnāt see what happened before the cameras picked it up so that may have made it a free
Itās subjective - I didnāt think it was a foul from what I saw. You think it was a foul based on what you did and didnāt see.
Did it ever dawn on you that we just have differing opinions?
Did it ever cross your mind to actually read what Iāve posted?
Fair enough if you didnāt see what happened before and therefore didnāt think it was a free (even though it had been mentioned on a couple of occassions on this thread before your post categorically stating that it wasnāt a free).
But it is completely bizarre logic to question at which point the referee gave the free. You seem to be suggesting that he may have given it at the same point as the RTE replay showed. There is absolutely no correlation between the two things. One can only assume that this referee gave the free at the same time as any other referee gives a free - when the foul occurs.
Jesus farmer must be tall to see in over the stands at Croke Park from the Hill of Tara.
I get what your saying about the type of foul. They happen all the time. The thing is though they are not seen all the time, yer man Sunday did his bit of dragging too late and got caught. Thats the difference. Good corner backs donāt get caught. It happens virtually every single play at the highest level. Forwards in fact often foul just before the ball comes in as well, and this is quite a skill. The best forwards fight fire with fire. Stevie Mac, Gooch, Goulding (eventually), Brogan. Others donāt engage and go on pure brain, dummy runs or speed like Padraig Joyce, Ciaran Sheehan. The finest forward i saw who could mix it either way was Colm Oā Rourke.
Alot depends on actually when the referee looks down the direction of the 2 players involved.
But you agree that you also didnāt see what happened before? And that you think it was a free not just based on what you saw but the cumulative effect of what you didnāt see i.e. before the cameras picked it up, and what you did see i.e. where the cameras picked it up?
As for me categorically stating that it wasnāt a free, itās clearly just my opinion. I donāt feel the need to qualify everything I opine on with āI thinkā or āin my opinionā - itās implied.
I donāt understand why you consider it bizarre logic. Up to a point, contact between players is acceptable and it reaches a point where the ref considers it a foul. You see incidents in soccer all the time where contact starts outside the box but the player goes down inside and the ref has to decide between whether itās a free on the edge or a penalty. Again, using soccer as the analogy, in my opinion, referees could legitimately give a penalty for every corner that is taken in the EPL, given the amount of holding that goes on. But they donāt because they need to exercise judgement on where the line beween no foul and foul is. My opinion on Sunday was that the Kildare back didnāt cross that line. The referees and yours was that it did. I donāt think my opinion is deserving of āHoly fooksā of disdain. It was an incident that divides opinion.