Official All Ireland Senior Football Championship 2011 Thread

Colm Parkinson, saying it better than anyone else can

Woolberto Colm Parkinson

was away the past weekā€¦saw the dub gameā€¦controversial ending, wasnt a freeā€¦delighted for that knobhead mcloughlin tho #gaa

Itā€™s mad how people that didnā€™t see the incident have decided definitively that it wasnā€™t a free. They have no basis to make such a forthright conclusion. Go sit on the fence, cunts. :guns:

I find it more amusing how people believe what RTƉ tells them to believe. The GAA even bought into it last year when letting cunts like Tohill practically deal out suspensions for them. Ridiculous.

McLoughlin is a complete cuntbag however, heā€™s got that right.

Given that you say Gooch can mix it, you seem to be saying that Colm Oā€™Rourke was a better player than Gooch is? Not a hope and surely anti-Kerry bias if you do think so.

Something not quite right about all this. :rolleyes:

I do in my fuck. How in Gods name did you come up with that, or are you just looking to find fault? Your logic is flawed, i was describing a certain attribute players have, not who is the best overall player.

Was wondering. Just when you said Oā€™Rourke was ā€˜the finest forward you saw who could mix it both waysā€™, I thought that you meant he was the best attacker youā€™d ever watched who could mix the physical stuff with the pure football.

Well close to that to be fair. But Gooch wouldnā€™t mix it half as much, but can do when needed. Gooch is clearly a superior forward.

Bernard Brogan on Twitter: ā€œI was impeded running for the ball in a one on one, thatā€™s a free in my book, end of.ā€

Nuff said.

The Mort, Woolie and Berno all tweeting away to each other, what a trio of talent right there :clap:

:rolleyes:

Our very own John Kerry.

Having watched about 55 mins of the Dublin game, could someone please explain to me, how Eoghan Oā€™Gara is an intercounty footballer? Seriously, before he was sent off (and rightly so) he had from what I could see, one possession, which was a bloody awful attempt at a point (which nearly ended up a goal). He runs around like the clueless teacherā€™s son in U12ā€™s (I was that clueless teacherā€™s son in U12ā€™s, so I know what Iā€™m talking about), absolutely no positional sense and no idea of whatā€™s actually happening around him. A pure passenger, a new Aisake. Surely to jaysus there are better forwards available in Dublin clubs?

While Iā€™m at it, why is Kieran McGeeney playing his best forward, possibly the best forward in the country, in mid field? One Kildare forward scored from play in the first half, while the one who regularly piles on the points sits behind them in the middle. Again, surely to jaysus there is someone else in all of Kildare who can play at 8 or 9 and let Johnny up front? James Kavenagh to my mind is a potentially brilliant player, who seems to suffer when Doyle is in mid field. Complete madness.

Neither Oā€™Gara or Bastick are inter-county players. I know someone who went to school with both and he told me both took up football purely becuase they sucked at rugby. Basically its an embarassment to GAA that both players are considered inter-county footballers.

Sounds about right Turenne. The thing I canā€™t understand is why in a county like Dublin with such a strong club culture and championship, that they canā€™t throw better players than that up? This is a very good Dub team with a very good and intelligent coach, its strange that he would opt for such an experiment. With a suspension Oā€™Gara could well find it hard to break back into the team if whoever replaces him does well, which would be good for them. Did Oā€™Gara play minor for Dublin?

Have to say, Iā€™m very impressed with Paul Flynn, he made that goal himself completely from the centre of the pitch.

As for Alan Brogan, what a player.

Come on Dan, let it outā€¦

I thought myself there was scope for o gara to turn into a very decent player. He looked a blunt but effective tool the few times I saw him last year, primarily against Tyrone and cork. Fir the game dub were playing with 12 or 13 men behind the ball he was a handy cascarino option to win the ball and hold it up for the others flooding forward. His skills are shocking though and he seems to have gotten worse. Iā€™d guess gilroy thought he could improve him enough to be an option but heā€™s not the standard yet. Wouldnā€™t 100% write him off yet myself.

Agreed about Doyle, seems nuts alright albeit he makes a good contribution from midfield but not sure how McG thinks he had capacity to move a scoring machine out of the forwards. Bizarre

I donā€™t think a Cascarino option is what Dublin need though, maybe on wet days when you need fast ball directly into the FF line (which Galway and Mayo could have done with on Sunday, but Iā€™m not sure what they were playing, as it was atrocious shit). Dubkin are a good team of intelligent, skillful players, of which Oā€™Gara is not one.

Agree Fitzy on Oā€™ Gara and the placement of Doyle, robbing peter to pay Paul you could say, but really its worse. Kavanagh is certainly suffering from it. Kildare are not improving which for them is worrying, i thought their was more in them. Dublin were not that impressive at all really and any kind of decent performance 1st half and Kildare should have won.

Heā€™s not the best forward in the country though Fitzy, heā€™s had some shocking kicking days in the past 3 years.

I actually think McGeeney may be running out of ideas and could well turn out to be a form of bluffer*. All this alternative training and building your own gyms etc is good, but i think heā€™s over doing it and is now doing mad stuff for the sake of it. That kind of thin is good for long breaks or for pre-season or whatever, but they look like an over trained team, afraid almost to perform and are only realising they are in games after half time.

His constantly going at refs is more than annoying now and i think heā€™s actually unsure of what heā€™s got to do next and is getting frustrated with everyone. His biggest problem was always going to be to realise that not everyone is built like him, and all of his players just may not be capable of sticking to orders/improving year on year. Alternative methods will take you so far, but you need to be good at the basics and while he may learn a great deal about being a manager heā€™s doing it on the job and unless things improve his value to Kildare will virtually have expired.

And yes, i have changed my tune somewhat. But i had fore seen some more improvement and it hasnā€™t happenedā€¦so far. Dublin have many of the same issues. They have time to sort them, but i certainly donā€™t go along with the media thinking that they are a Top3 team, i think they are just below the level of Cork and Kerry.

Dan - Our man is good for Sunday it seems, pile on i say.

  • i reserve the right to change my mind on this at a later date.

Thinly veiled you were all right about Kildare and McGeeney there from caoimhaoin. Serious climbdown indeed.

I applaud the intense one for playing Doyle midfield and I would encourage him to continue to do so, for at least one more game.

On another note, the GAA takeover of the GPA is surely nearly complete at this stage

All Stars to merge with GPA awards

A decision on a new sponsor for the GAA All Stars scheme, which is likely to be merged in some way with the GPA scheme, will be announced in the next couple of weeks.

Opel, the current sponsors of the GPA awards, which have been in existence since 2006, are favoured to fill the void left by Vodafone and that will mean just one team selection at the end of each season instead of the current two.

The most likely scenario is that the GPA will continue to oversee the Player of the Month and the Player of the Year awards, with the GAA looking after the team itself.

Traditionally, GAA correspondents have selected the All Star teams as the awards were originally the brainchild of writers in the early 1970s. But an involvement in the selection process of past players is also under consideration.

However, future tours are under threat because of finance, GAA president Christy Cooney (above) said yesterday. ā€œWeā€™re working away, weā€™re hoping to have announcement in the next two weeks,ā€ he said.

"Discussions are taking place and weā€™ll know then where the GAA/GPA function is going to go in the future.

ā€œWeā€™re looking at all the options, whatā€™s best for the GPA, whatā€™s best for the association and how we can develop a relationship with a suitable sponsor. There will be a tour this year certainly. We have a commitment to San Francisco. As we look at a new All Stars going forward everything goes into the pot and whatā€™s best in the interests of the association and the players.ā€

Under the terms of the GPA scheme, award winners have received ā‚¬2,500 each for promotional rights attached to the scheme, while the Players of the Year in hurling and football have driven away in new Opel cars.

It will be interesting to see if that situation remains now that the GAA and GPA are tied together by an agreement signed in February.

  • Colm Keys

Most of us Dub fans would love it if it were true that a suspension would keep Oā€™Gara out of the team but unfortunately that will not be so. I donā€™t know what it is but Gilroy for some reason sees something in Oā€™Gara that most of us mere mortals cant see, he must be fantastic in training or something or is riding Gilroy and Whelan, because as far as i can see Oā€™Gara would struggle to make some junior teams, he canā€™t do any of the basics of the game and he isnā€™t improving. I said before sunday that he was useless and sunday not only confirmed he was useless but also confirmed that there is only a peanut between the ears. I can kinda understand why he was brought in last year and that was to fill a gap in the forward line to help out B Brogan and unfortunately he made an impact scoring a couple of goals but was then shown up in the rest of the championship for being useless. This move was a loss to the footballers but was a huge gain to the hurlers when Keaney threw his lot in with them and who could blame him being left out of the team for a brainless idiot like Oā€™Gara. But this year with the re-emergence of Connolly and the return to form of Alan Brogan, there is no need for Oā€™Gara and he should be either consigned to the bench or better still to the scrap heap.

As for people saying are there no better players than Oā€™Gara in Dublin and the answer to that is yes there is but for some reason the management ignore them, maybe the donā€™t play for the right club, maybe they are not the right size or whatever but the management wont pick them, this has happened a lot throughout a succession of Dublin managers for whatever reasons they ignore certain players. Another problem in Dublin is that a lot of the teams playing senior football have a lot of inter county players from other counties playing for them and this unfortunately has stunted the development of future Dublin players as they are not getting the experience of senior football because their club would rather bring in someone than develop someone and then you have the big issue of players being poached from smaller clubs by the bigger clubs, this usually happens if a player from a smaller club breaks into one of the county sides then they start getting the odd whisper in the ear and before long in goes the transfer request. For some reason this doesnt seem to happen in hurling in Dublin, a lot of the hurling players are home grown and it is one of the reasons why hurling has come on so much in the last few years, the football side need to get their heads out of their arses and start developing the football side of things like it has been done on the hurling.

Right rant over.