[quote=âcroppy_boy, post: 771185, member: 306â]As much as Liam Brady, Hristo Stoickov, Seedorf, Davids, Ballack.
You canât blame him for the dross that surrounded him in the dressing room at international level.[/quote]
Stoichkov brought his country to a World Cup semi-final, Ballack got to a World Cup final, Seedorf and Davids both reached World Cup semi-finals with Holland and Liam Brady played for Ireland.
The standard of English is fantastic in that.
Top 11 from all the central midfielders who played would still be fairly great but go on name them so
So youâre agreeing that none of them won anything?
Brady is probably the best comparison as he was unappreciated by his manager and overlooked in favour of inferior players.
Albertini
Pirlo
Redondo
Vieira
De Rossi
Veron
Ballack
Seedorf
Schweinsteiger
Montolivo
And thatâs being kind to Scholes, I have kept it strictly to pure central midfielders, I have not included any attacking midfielders or or wide players who could operate centrally. I have also discounted some midfielders who were much more effective than Scholes on the basis that they carried out a dirty role (Gattuso, Davids, Makelele, Deschamps). There are more players who could be included ahead of him at the moment.
[quote=âcroppy_boy, post: 771189, member: 306â]So youâre agreeing that none of them won anything?
Brady is probably the best comparison as he was unappreciated by his manager and overlooked in favour of inferior players.[/quote]
That wasnât the claim I posted, a lot of those players have made big contributions in international competitions whether they won it or not. Scholes didnât, he let games pass him by both in the international stage and in Europe, he is vastly overrated and Beckham has proved a lot more in his career than Scholes ever did.
Beckham was good at free kicks at big moments and had a good game against the mighty Greece. He wasnât half the player in Europe that Scholes was.
You shouldnât believe everything you read in OK! Magazine.
[quote=âcroppy_boy, post: 771192, member: 306â]Beckham was good at free kicks at big moments and had a good game against the mighty Greece. He wasnât half the player in Europe that Scholes was.
You shouldnât believe everything you read in OK! Magazine.[/quote]
Get out of here, Beckham had more character than Scholes had. You buy into what idiots like Dunphy say about Scholes, he was a decent player in a shit league, thatâs the height of it. I didnât ever see Real Madrid or Milan or Barcelona ever come calling for Scholes.
Get out of here, Beckham had more character than Scholes had. You buy into what idiots like Dunphy say about Scholes, he was a decent player in a shit league, thatâs the height of it. I didnât ever see Real Madrid or Milan or Barcelona ever come calling for Scholes.[/quote]
So youâre disagreeing with Lippi in his assessment of Scholes?
Real and Barca brought in Beckham to sell football shirts.
[quote=âcroppy_boy, post: 771194, member: 306â]So youâre disagreeing with Lippi in his assessment of Scholes?
Real and Barca brought in Beckham to sell football shirts.[/quote]
Yes. Iâm disagreeing with Lippi.
Beckham was instrumental in helping Madrid win the league under Capello.
Nedved.
Xavi.
Viera.
Zidane.
Litmanen.
Totti.
Iniesta.
Bernd Schneider.
Cocu.
Rui Costa.
Gerrard.
[quote=âChocolateMice, post: 771196, member: 168â]Nedved.
Xavi.
Viera.
Zidane.
Litmanen.
Totti.
Iniesta.
Bernd Schneider.
Cocu.
Rui Costa.
Gerrard.[/quote]
Throw in Petit there as well for the crack.
[quote=âIl Bomber Destro, post: 771190, member: 1052â]Albertini
Pirlo
Redondo
Vieira
De Rossi
Veron
Ballack
Seedorf
Schweinsteiger
Montolivo
And thatâs being kind to Scholes, I have kept it strictly to pure central midfielders, I have not included any attacking midfielders or or wide players who could operate centrally. I have also discounted some midfielders who were much more effective than Scholes on the basis that they carried out a dirty role (Gattuso, Davids, Makelele, Deschamps). There are more players who could be included ahead of him at the moment.[/quote]
all opinions but Iâd rank Scholes better than 6 of them
[quote=âIl Bomber Destro, post: 771195, member: 1052â]Yes. Iâm disagreeing with Lippi.
Beckham was instrumental in helping Madrid win the league under Capello.[/quote]
He won one league in four years at Real - and those were the Rjikaard years for Barca as well. Even Valencia managed to win a title under Benitez in his Beckhamâs first year at Real.
I like Beckham but to say that Beckham has proved himself as a player more over the years show how much of an utter cretin you are.
Not a Scholes fan myself. Are all those quotes even true?
[quote=âcroppy_boy, post: 771199, member: 306â]He won one league in four years at Real - and those were the Rjikaard years for Barca as well. Even Valencia managed to win a title under Benitez in his Beckhamâs first year at Real.
I like Beckham but to say that Beckham has proved himself as a player more over the years show how much of an utter cretin you are.[/quote]
You are deluded. Beckham went on to bigger and better things when he left United.
Iâve wondered that myself, much like the Ronaldo one thats doing the rounds, people are funny.
One La Liga title and one MLS title.
Scholes in the meantime won a Champions League title and played got to two more finals - which is an very high standard given your thought on international competition - and five more EPL titles facing competition from the Chelsea of José, Guus, Carlo. etc and the Man City of Mancini.
[quote=âcroppy_boy, post: 771204, member: 306â]One La Liga title and one MLS title.
Scholes in the meantime won a Champions League title and played got to two more finals - which is an very high standard given your thought on international competition - and five more EPL titles facing competition from the Chelsea of José, Guus, Carlo. etc and the Man City of Mancini.[/quote]
Beckham had won everything he could have by the time he left United, Scholes did nothing that it hadnât already been achieved by Beckham who went on to prove himself in Spain and Italy. Scholes was a bystander in the CL finals he played in.
What did Beckham win in Italy?
Was thee some special award for making 29 appearances, scoring two goals and winning nothing?
Scholes set Wes Brown free down the right to cross for Ronaldo to score the opening goal v Chelsea in 2008.