Abortion Referendum Thread

Weird that you had a pop about my attic so?

Well it does sort of jump out at you. Describing rape victims as bogeyman. Incredible.

So you don’t have any figures as to how many times victims of rape fall pregnant roughly every year?

God no, I’m only trying to wind up our legion of Mary rep

You are an intelligent chap but have taken that line completely out of context - rape victims BECOMING PREGNANT is used by certain quarters as justification for abortion on demand. This is what I am referring to - not rape victims.

Again I’ll ask - how many victims of rape fall pregnant every year, roughly?

I don’t know the figures and it’s irrelevant. Rape victims, some as young as 12, have been impregnated in Ireland.

Fanatics like Ascough and the Iona Institute want to force these women to give birth.

That’s a great post. Couldn’t agree more.

Watch them avoid providing that stat.

What stat?

A very quick google suggests one in 20 rapes end in pregnancy, 90 cases recorded in 2011, I’d say you could find it yourself

Babies that are a result of rape, and abortions that result in rape.
While you’re at it babies of 12 year olds as a result of rape, a scenario you introduced.

I don’t know the exact numbers but it happens. Why do you want to know the exact numbers?

Do you think rape victims should be forced to go full term and give birth?

Quelle surprise. The rape trial goes into recess to consider it’s jury and all of a sudden Nancy Drew and the Hardy boys have suddenly turned into Ruth Coppinger and David Quinn.

What’s the point here dodgy? If it’s only 3 or 4 rape victims every few years say is that grand?

90 a year is the only figure so far, that’s quite a few really

You introduced it so I’d be interested to know if it’s a real issue and not just a make believe issue that baby murder supporters like yourself pull out of your arse

So we murder thousands a year to justify 3 or 4*
*pulled out of your arse

What the fuck are you babbling on about now?

What did I introduce? Can you read English properly you slavering moron?

If you don’t think rape victims get pregnant Google “x case”.

And answer the question. Do you think rape victims should be forced to go full term and give birth?

I reckon Im one of the hundreds of thousands of people in this country who is caught right bang in the middle on this one.
As a father of two girls I am very conscious of what a yes or a no vote will mean for them in the future.
Therefore I am not against the repeal of the eight per say. What makes me extremely u comfortable is the proposed legislation to replace it, specifically the unrestricted access up to twelve weeks.
To clarify, yes I firmly believe that in cases such as faa, rape and incest, it should indeed be the woman’s choice. Her body has been invaded against her will and by all means she has every right to get image if she so wishes. In terms of faa, this is the most heart breaking of the three. A baby is obviously wanted and due to whatever condition it has developed, it has little or no chance of survival. Again with every piece of medical advice made available to her she should or indeed the couple should have freedom of choice in this instance once all the available information has been communicated. I don’t think k any reasonable minded person would have an issue in the circumstances described above. Again there are probably a few more circumstances that could be brought in an legislated for.
In terms of the twelve weeks, my concerns are around a number of different areas.

This country has a history of taking things to the limit and beyond.
She’s 20 weeks pregnant and all is good.
“Ah shur come on in. We’ll put you down as ten weeks and no-one will know the difference”
Don’t anyone suggest that this won’t happen because I guarantee you it will.
At the risk of sound like an old fart, has the father any rights in this. It’s not like an unwanted pregnancy is the result of her having IVF, getting pregnant and deciding she does want it.
So there is a father involved here somewhere. Is it right if she decides she wants the child, she gets to keep it and he gets stuck with the maintenance? What if he wants to keep it and rare it? Should here have no say. And no I don’t buy the “she has to carry it for nine months and put her body through hell” line. It never and will never wash with me.The ability to
Give birth is nothing short of miraculous and should never be taken for granted.
So in short, there are a number of different circumstances to which a woman should absolutely be given a choice. But certainly not a la carte up to twelve weeks.
If it was restricted to the three circumstances I highlighted ( and as I said there are probably a few more that would be acceptable ) then I would have no problem ticking the yes box . Unfortunately the choice afforded to me gives me no option but to retain it until acceptable legislation is put in front of me.

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The “I have two daughters” intro was an odd way to start a post which essentially argued that you couldn’t trust them with a choice in the future.

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