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That’s not how it works. If a white person says the n word and claims they didn’t mean offence they’d be laughed out of it.

The Up the Ra chant is designed to give offence and dehumanise their victims. Protestants and English and anybody else are quite entitled to point out what it’s glorifying.

Nobody here cares when themmuns are offended but they sure get offended when Loyalists sing about “our” murder victims.

If people don’t want Loyalists to sing about “our” murder victims we shouldn’t sing songs of glorification of those who mass murdered Protestants and English civilians.

It’s actually crazy that Amber Barrett was talking very eloquently about the victims of the accidental Creeslough explosion and then ten minutes later was singing songs about the people who caused so many similar explosions which killed people just like the victims of Creeslough - unsuspecting civilians, except the IRA did it deliberately.

it’s about choosing to be offended by a song.

If i got offended by someone singing about Michaela, it would be by choice, I don’t know her or anyone belonging to her.

the vast majority of people offended by the singing of the girls are offended by choice, or for no reason whatsoever, other than to be offended.

They’re songs.

concerning

why were Liverpool fans singing it?

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Yeah almost all offence is a choice. People have adopted a right not to be offended.

So if people started singing a song glorifying the Holocaust in public, that would be your reaction too?

“Oooh, you’re just choosing to get offended by it”.

?

And obviously that’s an extreme example but your rationale seems to include the most extreme examples so let’s go with that.

yeah… it’s a song that people are singing, they aren’t doing the thing they’re singing about. It’s words with music. they can’t hurt you

Should people be allowed make movies about the hollocaust, or paintings or write books?.. it happened, it’s over…

There is literally no artform you can convery the holocaust in without it being offensive to someone.

Because it was funny and confrontational in the same way it was funny and confrontational when Stewart Lee said “let’s have a big clap for the good old IRA” because Stewart Lee is a Brummie and Liverpool fans are Scousers both of which are England whereas when Irish people do it the context changes completely.

so if Catholics sang about Michaela it would be funny? That’s what you’re saying there

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its a bit of a double standard there

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There are people who do just that at the NSBM Asgardsrei Festival in Kiev.
As I said already most reasonable people can differentiate between such noncense and authentic songwriting

It can hurt you by whipping up hatred in society. Music and chants are used to do that.

Of course they should.

The question is should people be allowed make films or art glorifying the Holocaust.

If such a film was made, do you think it should be shown publicly in the name of “free speech”?

That’s an utterly bizarre statement. You think there’s no difference between Claude Lanzmann’s “Shoah” or other documentaries or film’s like Schindler’s List which are handled sensitively and a hypothetical film glorifying the Holocaust for kicks?

@Thomas_Brady seems to think so anyway, given he thinks the “We Hate Catholics” song is very funny.

that’s a fairly big strawman.

Look you’ve gone from a few girls singing a song to the holocaust fairly quickly there.

Chill the beans. Nobody died

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A belter of a song.

It’s called context mate, in a similar way to how black people can say the n word and get away with it whereas white people can’t.

Do you think that’s double standard?

Your logic includes the Holocaust that’s why I mentioned it.

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i’m genuinely laughing here mate, fair play. I’d never seen that.

the art of filmaking is in a sorry state… superhero movies and cgi

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Liverpool fans , who pride themselves on being anti-establishment singing up the ra to Scotch loyalists to annoy them is the context?