Why is there always need for comparison, to my mind they are very different players.
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Which shows that the “greatest” nearly always need a serious support crew.
Would Messi be as good if he spent his entire career at PSV or Marsaille or Spurs??? Would he fuck. He’d still be unbelievably good, but would he be as consistant? Would ge have the balls and heart to keep going when others were not up to scratch?
Would Shefflin stood out?
Would someone like Paul flynn or Phyilly McMahon?
Serious players but not greats and they would never carry a team.
Canavan dissapeared between excellent Tyrone teams. Now we probably fairly cannot judge Gooch in the same way as he always had a high level support cast.
But this to my mind is why Maurice Fitz is the greatest forward of all time.
And on another point, in relation to Seamus Moynihan being over rated. In the late 90’s/early 2000’s Kerry had a fairly average mix of raw young talent and a few carriers in the backs. He held that togetger like glue. You talk to any Kerryman of that vintage and they would say “No Moynihan, No All-Ireland in 97 & 2000 for sure”. It really wipes lsds off the radar in terms of respecting their view on football when they cannot appreciate Moynihan. Especially people who blow on about the crafty gifts of Italian defending, he was born from a similar mould.
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And as i say above, carried a team for around 5 years.
In my opinion it can only be recency bias that would lead people to conclude that Colm Cooper was a better player than Jack O Shea or Maurice FitzGerald.
That said I am pleased with the thought of Pat Spillane spluttering on his cornflakes as he reads pundit after pundit say that Cooper was a better player than him. He wasn’t by the way.
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On that basis Matty Forde is clearly the great player ever in any sport, times infinity, no backsies.
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Jacko, Maurice, Spillane were all vetter than any of the Kerry players in recent years.
Jacko and Spillane took turns pulling Kerry out of the shote when they were in trouble.
Haha.
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Agreed.
Maurice would be my pick as well. He always looked like he was playing in slow motion, never looked rushed or unphased and everything looked so easy for him. His pure ability was unreal.
My point above is that dismissing Gooch on the basis of comparisons to Canavan are unbelievably flawed.
He was no Beano
Because for many years Canavan carried a mediocre Tyrone on his back in the most competitive province of them all. Timmy never had that pressure.
The bizarre criteria is being forced upon by Croppy.
Caravan has a long history of doing it in the crunch, Timmy hasn’t.
what? I just outlined a load of years where Canavan did nothing to carry Tyrone.
And just to be clear, this is not to say I dont rate Canavan, my point is how can Canavan be used as a benchmark when he was a peripheral figure in many games for Tyrone.
- Canavan
- Linden
- Stevie Mc
Define doing nothing
Spillane was the best of them all. A prince among footballers.
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why?
you are free to give your opinion and when questioned on it you ignore it and wont respond. If you really want to debate, at least have the courtesy to respond to others the way you expect others to respond to you. I’m not going to go over and back with you all day over stupid bullshit arguments where you will constantly try change the parameters of your argument.
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And what’s your point?
