[QUOTE=“Sidney, post: 1061953, member: 183”]How far are you extending your parameters when you say he was “one of the greatest half backs ever, period.”
One of the five greatest ever?
One of the 30 greatest ever?
One of the 50 greatest ever?
One of the 100 greatest ever?[/QUOTE]
Comfortably top 10.
Don’t be a stupid cunt.
You never even saw them did you?
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1061940, member: 273”]did you ever see either play? you absolute spoofer.
Ciaran O Sullivan is one of the greatest half backs ever, period.
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Ciaran O’Sullivan was the successor to a great tradition of wing backs who featured for Cork from the Beara peninsula stretching back to Padraig Harrington’s father - Paddy Harrington on the 1956 & 57 All Ireland finalists, Kevin Jer O’Sullivan on the 1973 winning team. I’d find it a tough call as to who was the best right half back of the 90’s - Paul Curran, Graham Geraghty or Ciaran O’Sullivan. All three terrific attacking half backs. O’Sullivan would edge it as he was the best defender of the three. O’Sullivan is an absolute shoo in on my team of best players never to win an All Ireland medal from my time watching and following gaelic football stretching back to the late 1970’s.
I did, a pretty ordinary footballer in a very ordinary era.
Cassidy I don’t get at all. He was good, but I wouldn’t have him next or near some of the names mentioned here.
They do say that you haven’t won an All Ireland unless you beat Kerry. That’s something that didn’t happen between 1992 and 2002 (largely because Kerry were at a low ebb - certainly in the early 90’s). You are being very unfair on teams like Donegal 1992, Derry 1993 and Down 1994. The first two in particular may well have been one season wonders and they didn’t have to beat Kerry but they did have some very good players in the likes of Martin McHugh and Anthony Tohill and they could only beat what was in front of them.
In east Clare we fondly refer to retired footballers as “a good riddance”
+1
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1061970, member: 273”]Comfortably top 10.
Don’t be a stupid cunt.[/QUOTE]
You’ll be claiming he was better than Tomas O’Se next.
Tomas O’Se and Ciaran O’Sullivan would be the two of the names that would feature most prominently in picking the best right half back of the last 25 years.
Some of the football played in early 90’s and the standard of at least 6 or 7 teams were of a very high standard.
For all the shite talk about Armagh, if it’s a surprise anyone didn’t win another title it was Derry of that era.
Down, Cork, Derry, Meath, Dublin, Donegal (even if they were a bit if a flash in the pan) all had excellent sides with some of the best footballers ever to play the game.
But what made it even more exciting was the pure knock-out system. In that era of football you could certainly say winning an All-Ireland going thru Ulster was the most difficult route. I still maintain those games were a help rather than a hindrance as it was knockout and it toughened you and basically gave you more practice.
And bar Connacht the other provinces were “deeper” as well.
Very close. Tomas played on better teams so automatically looks better due to having better players around him. Both were two footed, could score, had pace etc. Both are absolute gents also.
Ciaran was arguably a better foot passer and was certainly more flexible positional wise and played plenty midfield and centre forward as well. He was also a better tackler. Tomas was getting caught out of position and caught on the turn a lot near the end of his career. Ciaran was bigger and stronger also
However, and I’m not even absolutely certain why I would just ever so slightly go for Tomas. Maybe just the timing of his big plays. Although if you asked me next week I could pick Ciaran.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1062039, member: 273”]Some of the football played in early 90’s and the standard of at least 6 or 7 teams were of a very high standard.
For all the shite talk about Armagh, if it’s a surprise anyone didn’t win another title it was Derry of that era.
Down, Cork, Derry, Meath, Dublin, Donegal (even if they were a bit if a flash in the pan) all had excellent sides with some of the best footballers ever to play the game.
But what made it even more exciting was the pure knock-out system. In that era of football you could certainly say winning an All-Ireland going thru Ulster was the most difficult route. I still maintain those games were a help rather than a hindrance as it was knockout and it toughened you and basically gave you more practice.
And bar Connacht the other provinces were “deeper” as well.[/QUOTE]
Derry should probably have had at least one in the bag before 1993. They took their eye off the ball against Donegal in a big way in the 1992 Ulster Final particularly when Donegal were reduced to 14 men so early in the game when John Cunningham was sent off. They had the beatings of Down in the drawn game in 1991 too. If they had got over Down, I doubt they’d have gone onto win an All Ireland that year, but Down having the pedigree and conviction to do so really opened Eamon Coleman and Derry’s eyes to the possibilities that were there for them.
Derry were formidably strong 1-9. What let them down was their forwards. They had workmanlike decent qualify forwards but they didn’t have an out and out match winner in their forward line like a Mickey Linden, Peter Canavan or a Martin McHugh. That was an incredibly high quality match against Down at Celtic Park in 1994, one of the very best I’ve seen. Its a pity Derry self-destructed after that.
[QUOTE=“Manuel Zelaya, post: 1062043, member: 377”]Derry should probably have had at least one in the bag before 1993. They took their eye off the ball against Donegal in a big way in the 1992 Ulster Final particularly when Donegal were reduced to 14 men so early in the game when John Cunningham was sent off. They had the beatings of Down in the drawn game in 1991 too. If they had got over Down, I doubt they’d have gone onto win an All Ireland that year, but Down having the pedigree and conviction to do so really opened Eamon Coleman and Derry’s eyes to the possibilities that were there for them.
Derry were formidably strong 1-9. What let them down was their forwards. They had workmanlike decent qualify forwards but they didn’t have an out and out match winner in their forward line like a Mickey Linden, Peter Canavan or a Martin McHugh. That was an incredibly high quality match against Down at Celtic Park in 1994, one of the very best I’ve seen. Its a pity Derry self-destructed after that.[/QUOTE]
I watched that game again a few months ago, it was superb.
I think I shut Sid up finally.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1062042, member: 273”]Very close. Tomas played on better teams so automatically looks better due to having better players around him. Both were two footed, could score, had pace etc. Both are absolute gents also.
Ciaran was arguably a better foot passer and was certainly more flexible positional wise and played plenty midfield and centre forward as well. He was also a better tackler. Tomas was getting caught out of position and caught on the turn a lot near the end of his career. Ciaran was bigger and stronger also
However, and I’m not even absolutely certain why I would just ever so slightly go for Tomas. Maybe just the timing of his big plays. Although if you asked me next week I could pick Ciaran.[/QUOTE]
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I can just imagine Kev furiously clicking on refresh during a time when most people are having their Christmas dinner to see had I replied.
You really have a high opinion of yourself.
You have Christmas dinner at 6/7pm?
Weird.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1062064, member: 273”]You have Christmas dinner at 6/7pm?
Weird.[/QUOTE]
We started in at around 5:40pm, mate, and finished up just over an hour later. Weird, alright.
You’re not seeing the irony of your posts are you.