Etc etc.
The poor lad is obsessed
It’s a good thing for our demographics.
You’d worry about where they all will live/be housed in short to medium term.
Agree with all the above.
The issue is though how a small country like ours will cope with an influx of maybe 200,000 people. Anyone who dares ask any reasonable question about this is immediately shot down - racist, what about the famine, the Irish who went to the UK and US, we’re one of the richest countries in the world etc.
We’re still in the early stages of this horrible war, people are being killed in a European country only a few hours away from us. All these unfortunate people who are fleeing need and deserve protection and shelter.
The question, has to be asked though, at what number is it acceptable to say we can’t shoulder this burden any more. What if the war gets worse and we’ve 500,000 people seeking refuge here? Still ok to have an unlimited, open door policy and all the knock on implications on society then? - housing, accommodation, education, increasing burden on the exchequer and tax payer etc.
It’s not politically correct or xenophobic to ask these questions but the government won’t address this issue.
And before anyone says it these issues are only small fry compared to the horrors unfolding in the Ukraine right now.
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There’s a heap of them in the bewleys hotel at the northern end of the m50 anyway. Roderic says they are looking at religious orders etc for larger places that may be uninhabited to house loads of refugees together. But that could go anywhich way.
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No one has said refugees are not welcome. Absolutely no one… What is it with you lot making things up? Is it that people want to ask questions that bothers you lot? It’s a bizarre trend around here of making stuff up.
Listen kid if you are unhappy with your kids being in a class with 60 others and giving out about a 2 year waiting list to see if you’ve some kind of pancreatic cancer your nothing but a racist.
And another thing, those Ukrainians from Bangladesh who rape kids are human too
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Can you stop throwing the baby out with the bath water?
Talking of 500,000 ffs
If that number arises which I hope it doesn’t, we as a continent will have far bigger problems ahead of us as opposed to overcrowded classrooms or hospitals.
Thats fucking mental. Uncanny.
I didnt say you said they were not welcome. You made that up. You did say 200,000 was ludicrous (even though it would be our fair share as part of eu). You also said that we should be checking everyone who came in and shouldnt trust them. Which isnt exactly making them welcome whatever it is. Debate away. I’m happy to. I think you’re wrong though.
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Be gentle with him lads. He means well.
What choice is there? Where will they go?
Britain (a proper country according to a section of TFK) have set out their stall, we have no choice, and all the whining and asking questions in the world won’t change that.
In many cases it is 100% xenophobia/nimbyism dressed up as ‘critical thinking’
It’s the usual suspects, here, in the media and online, predictable as ever
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If you extrapolated 500k refugees to the rest of the EU on a pro rata basis, it would mean 44-45 million refugees.
Ukraine’s population was only 43 million.
As it is, technically, at least 500 million people are eligible to move to Ireland tomorrow if they wanted. So presumably all the “I’m not against refugees but…” people want these migration arrangements, such as, oh, the Common Travel Area and the EU Single Market, scrapped.
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Again, you’re twisting what I’m saying.
We have over sized class rooms, over crowded hospitals, a lack of housing.And you lads are getting pissy because someone ponders how 200k people might affect these things? There’s a lot of talk of wealth in here, I think a country’s health service is a great measure of where a country is at.
Again, no one is saying no to refugees.
And people wonder why I coined the phrase ‘personality alibi merchant’ for brain dead obnoxiousness-signalling right wing fuckwits…
Never a better example.
And just for good measure: William Langewiesche.
That article is originally from the Atlantic, I linked to it the other night.
The outcome of this war will be a direct function of the amount of weapons Ukraine is supplied with.
If they are supplied with enough weapons, the right weapons, to win, they will win. If they are not supplied with enough of them, they will not win.
It comes back to the moral calculation - what is the end goal. The end goal has to be total Ukrainian victory.
Merely “bogging Russia down” is not a moral position on the west’s part, it is an immoral position because it costs countless innocent lives and the lives of Ukrainian soldiers.
The best way to save Ukrainian lives is to give Ukraine every weapon they need and then some.
We shouldn’t really be giving too much of a fuck about the lives of Russian soldiers or politicians at this stage, and the lives of Russian civilians are very much secondary to that of Ukrainian civilians.
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Finally hitting them where it might sting a little…or at least talking about it…
US looks to sanction gold-related transactions involving Russia
The US treasury department has warned that gold-related transactions involving Russia may be sanctionable by the US authorities.
Further sanctions will also be imposed on dozens of Russian defence firms and 328 members of Russia’s Duma.
“Our purpose here is to methodically remove the benefits and privileges Russia once enjoyed as a participant in the international economic order,” a senior administration official said.
I told ye the Ukranians would give them bags of it.
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With all yere bitching at each other, none of ye noticed the announcement of another 40k nato troops to eastern Europe. This is grounds for discomfort
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If its about riches, we are one of the highest spenders in europe on health by far. This is as worthy a cause as anything we’ve ever pissed money away on.
I believe i brought up the Ukrainians in schools here a couple of days ago after i witnessed it. Its beyond fucked up. I still think when it comes to a war so close we need to chip in. I doubt we’ll get 200 thousand but we need to look after every single refugee we do get.
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Having watched Winter of Fire. Few questions,
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would Putin have sincerely believed he could waltz into that country after what they sacrificed in Kyiv?
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the Berkut was disbanded? What way was policing reformed? Were they all Ukrainian nationals or imports from outside?
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taking that film into account, the featured people seemed to be hugely multicultural. Even though, they were wildly patriotic and single minded in their desire to be a democratic nation.
Was there really changed mood towards current democracy before the invasion to make Putin believe he could walk in there?