Russia Vs Ukraine (Part 2) - Neocons Strike Back

Did Ireland borrow 3billion from Russia in 2013? If not i would say they aren’t in any way comparable

Again this happened, i haven’t deep faked a forbes article

According to our resident fools who choose to be wrong about everything, the 1916 Rising was entirely a German/Austrian/Hungarian plot.

There was no Irish agency in it at all. I mean it said it on the tin. “Our gallant allies in Europe”. German arms.

Therefore it was apparently a foreign puppet plot.

At least if you’re to follow their “logic” as regards Ukraine.

It’s clearly what you believe. You just don’t have the honesty to say so.

All you’ve posted on this thread is irrelevant blather reminiscent of what a primary school student would write.

And it is deeply racist. It’s privileged western tankieism.

Seeing as you cited Slavoj Zizek, I’ll cite him again for you.

Today, one cannot be a leftist if one does not unequivocally stand behind Ukraine. To be a leftist who “shows understanding” for Russia is like to be one of those leftists who, before Germany attacked the Soviet Union, took seriously German “anti-imperialist” rhetoric directed at the UK and advocated neutrality in the war of Germany against France and the UK.

You’d have to be a idiot to even acknowledge this fellas stupid point.

Who doesn’t support Ukraine? Are you a bit slow?

Esteban is against Ireland and the EU providing support to the Ukrainian military.

It seems to be a leftist you can’t question anything according to that anonymous quote.

I’m not a leftist and i unequivocally support Ukraine

You’ve said clear you don’t want any more Ukrainian refugees here and that you don’t think Ireland or the EU should support the Ukrainian military.

How exactly do you support them?

Chocolate Renton and Ewan are just asking questions.

About what they don’t know, but they’ll ask them anyway.

They know that people are missing the real reasons for the war. The real reason isn’t Putin’s imperial hatred of Ukrainians, it couldn’t be Putin, it would never be Putin.

It’s some agricultural grant system or other.

Thats lies.

Im against the EU militarising and providing funding

If individual nations see fit to do so, no problem, send in every rifle you can find or the already established military alliance would even do, i don’t think the world needs another military alliance, do you?

I’ve said this already but you continue to lie

I never said i dont want anymore Ukrainian refugees. I wanted more controls and order on the process.

More lies, more strawmen

What isn’t a lie or strawman is that through all this you and others labelled me as a fascist, created strwamen, put words in my mouth and lied.

You’ve just done 3 of the 4 things there in your last post

How exactly do you support the Ukraine? What have you done for refugees?

The only person here who actually supported the Ukraine is @Tank

Anyone else claiming moral superiority for solidarity or other bullshit is just virtue signalling. Plain and simple

What, do you care more, do you pray for the area?

Pick one line and focus on it, creating another strawman.

Another lie.

Last night you said picking sides was “vulgar”.

Aye, that’s what the headbangers in Oughterard said too.

Lies.

Putin is to blame for the invasion.

The reasons for tension in the area are varied and multifaceted. I’ll see if someone on twitter can explain it to you in a few tweets.

You’re against EU countries providing support to the Ukrainian military, which is what they are doing. You’re against Ireland providing support to the Ukrainian military, which is what we are doing. You wanted refugees stopped from coming here. You wanted them to go somewhere else.

How exactly do you unequivocally support Ukraine? You’re straight up against assisting them.

You really have learned very well from Wallace and Daly. Always get in a very tepid criticism of Putin first as insulation, then run wild with his propaganda narratives.

If you aren’t going to bother to read my posts then what is the point?

You’re just repeating lies and putting your words in my mouth, as you have done since the beginning of this

I unequivocally support them in the exact same way you do. By doing fuck all

I haven’t mentioned Wallace once. I posted two speeches Daly gave in the EU parliament. … Run wild with accusations there tho.

You literally said taking sides in a conflict is “vulgar”.

You do not unequivocally support Ukraine.

You do not support them at all. Which is the same as supporting Russia.

I said taking sides and cheerleading war is vulgar.

I unequivocally support the ukraine against an illegal invasion. I hope a democratic and humane solution can be found by whatever means necessary that the Ukraine can agree to and that bloodshed will end. I hope this happens before there is a catastrophic event that there is no coming back from for a far wider part of humanity than eastern europe.

Your last sentence is bizarre.

I read your posts.

Your words were you wanted refugees slowed down. To do that you’d have to stop them coming of course. You also stated you wanted them to go somewhere else. So you wanted them to stop coming here.

You’re against the EU providing funding to the Ukrainian military.

You’re against Ireland providing funding to the Ukrainian military. You said this would make us a legitimate target for Russia.

You don’t support Ukraine. You have openly stated that you are against any of the support that’s currently being provided, whether that’s accepting refugees or funding the military.