You reckon wrong. If it was the other way youâd hardly have Cameron and all the other Westminster elite going up there and begging them to stay.
The well renowned protestant work ethic.
I knew there was a bloated public sector up there, but 30% seems ridiculous 
Can you provide a link for that please?
They will never take our freedom:pint:
The no side pulling out all the stops in the last few days.
No doubt theyâll mug the Scots off in the end.
JD Weatherspoons have come out and said they donât see why the Scots wouldnât be able to cope just fine independently 
They might not be all bad.
Some list of cunts coming out saying itâll be the end of the world though.
Iâm changing to the yes side.
It does appear that the panic is over. I would anticipate a resounding No vote on Thursday.
Weâre you panicking then manuel? Why so?
This will be like the move for Home Rule/independence in Ireland. Once this balloon goes up it creates an irresistible momentum. It will take decades but ultimately Scotland will vote for independence. The Yes side will analyse why they lost - financial arguments, work out a better answer and come back in a decade or so and present a better argument.
We saw in the Fiscal treaty and Lisbon treaties here that fear is the establishmentâs trump card. Its a pity really the voting public arenât more nuanced when it comes to these things but thats the real trick of democracy.
Let people think they are in charge.
if they lose (and they are expected to lose 55-45) then Salmond more than likely goes and he is a very skilful politician so he is a loss to that campaign
After the 1979 devolution referendum was defeated it was off the agenda for 15 years
depends on how close it is - if very close then they will end up with enhanced devolution but not independence - interesting to see how that then pans out.
At the moment the debate seems to be about planning for a split not being fully thought through and the mechanics of a what would happen to currency, debts, pensions etc rather than the principle of a split so if they sort that out then next time it may well pass. It is not the Union and being British keeping the Scots in the Union but more practical issues not being explained because maybe they cannot be or people havenât spent enough time thinking how it would work - example how would Scotland outside the EU fare, what happens currency etc
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 1015511, member: 2272â]if they lose (and they are expected to lose 55-45) then Salmond more than likely goes and he is a very skilful politician so he is a loss to that campaign
After the 1979 devolution referendum was defeated it was off the agenda for 15 years
depends on how close it is - if very close then they will end up with enhanced devolution but not independence - interesting to see how that then pans out.
At the moment the debate seems to be about planning for a split not being fully thought through and the mechanics of a what would happen to currency, debts, pensions etc rather than the principle of a split so if they sort that out then next time it may well pass. It is not the Union and being British keeping the Scots in the Union but more practical issues not being explained because maybe they cannot be or people havenât spent enough time thinking how it would work - example how would Scotland outside the EU fare, what happens currency etc[/QUOTE]
I think that was exactly what I said only I said it in three paragraphs less.
the devil is in the detail
Quite amusing to watch the forelock tuggers trying to reconcile their initial arguments that the Scot were wasters living off English dole money with the desperate efforts to convince them to stay over the past week or two. Theyâll have to drag the âwhite manâs burdenâ argument yet.
The success of the âYesâ campaign in making it a close run thing has been very significant. The veil has slipped.
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 1015511, member: 2272â]if they lose (and they are expected to lose 55-45) then Salmond more than likely goes and he is a very skilful politician so he is a loss to that campaign
After the 1979 devolution referendum was defeated it was off the agenda for 15 years
depends on how close it is - if very close then they will end up with enhanced devolution but not independence - interesting to see how that then pans out.
At the moment the debate seems to be about planning for a split not being fully thought through and the mechanics of a what would happen to currency, debts, pensions etc rather than the principle of a split so if they sort that out then next time it may well pass. It is not the Union and being British keeping the Scots in the Union but more practical issues not being explained because maybe they cannot be or people havenât spent enough time thinking how it would work - example how would Scotland outside the EU fare, what happens currency etc[/QUOTE]
The Brits have kept what would happen deliberately vague so as to scare people. The Yes campaigns major failure for me has been in not forcing them to put in place proper plans for what an independent Scotland would look like prior to the vote.
Whatever happens devolution max will be in place after Christmas which will essentially Federalise the UK. The Welsh have already insisted they get the same powers.
Regardless of the outcome the status quo has shifted forever.
[QUOTE=âJulio Geordio, post: 1015524, member: 332â]The Brits have kept what would happen deliberately vague so as to scare people. The Yes campaigns major failure for me has been in not forcing them to put in place proper plans for what an independent Scotland would look like prior to the vote.
Whatever happens devolution max will be in place after Christmas which will essentially Federalise the UK. The Welsh have already insisted they get the same powers.
Regardless of the outcome the status quo has shifted forever.[/QUOTE]
Unless the Yes campaign donât have an idea what it looks like either
Have they explained what happens to currency, interest rates, pensions, benefits, taxes in any detailed and structured way
there is almost no detail about anything on the website except a lot of subjective views about what people expect will happen
Brits love their TV
Top questions include
Would the TV licence fee have to rise in an independent Scotland?
What would happen to BSkyB and other private sector cable and satellite broadcasters in an independent Scotland?
Despite the noises from London and Spain, there is no way Scotland will be forced to stay outside the EU.
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 1015527, member: 2272â]Unless the Yes campaign donât have an idea what it looks like either
Have they explained what happens to currency, interest rates, pensions, benefits, taxes in any detailed and structured way[/QUOTE]
In fairness how can they when the noâs refuse to tell them how it would breakdown.
Or forced out of the pound.