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So, when Fermanagh Protestant Darren Graham suffered abuse when he played hurling, that means Protestants in general are oppressed in NI, does it?
The cause of the Provos is not the cause of the Catholics of NI. Same as the cause of Hamas is not the cause of the Palestinian people to live in peace and dignity.
You must be out night fishing because youâre throwing in all the red herrings you can come up with.
So when a Palestinian throws a stone over the wall the Israeliâs are oppressed? Youâre not digging up Sid
The provos are gone mate. Thereâs nothing wrong with a UI aspiration.
The goal of the provos was a 32 county republic. The goal of Hamas is a repressive Islamist state
Hamas would be the Palestinian version of the provos no? Has sid said he supports Hamas?
I asked you to come up with a reasoned case as to why Catholics as a people in NI could currently be classed as oppressed. You havenât done so and are now coming up with any oulâ deflection you can think of.
Even Sinn Fein donât claim this.
they live in an occupied territory where they are a minority. They donât belong to the country that was invented for them.
You seem to think this is different form Palestine, whom you support because the Israelis are still murdering them
Just because the murdering stopped doesnât make it right that there are Irish people without an identity, no matter what you say
youâre about as west brit as it gets so I wonât be responding to you on this topic outside of this
Please explain how I am a West Brit in any way, shape or form?
Your arguments are all over the place. You compared the whole of Palestine to the provos
I didnât say there was anything wrong with the aspiration of a 32 county state. Itâs how you go about it that matters.
The Provos and Hamas are directly equivalent. They both came out of a situation where a people were being oppressed and were the inevitable outcome of that oppression.
Palestinians are still oppressed. Catholics in the North no longer are. I would argue the existence of the Provos held back Catholic oppression longer than would have been the case otherwise.
Hamas will have to be part of any future settlement because they do have a lot of support, and you can fully understand why.
The provos goal was a 32 county republic, based on the 1916 proclamation. Have a look at the Hamas charter and compare.
The majority of the people of Northern Ireland donât consider it an occupied territory. There is no such thing in nature as an all Ireland state. Or any state for that matter. All states are invented. All states are artificial. Made up.
I dare say many Unionists will consider NI âoccupiedâ if ever a united Ireland is voted for. They will be wrong in that assertion.
Nobody in Northern Ireland is without an identity. Except maybe the disappeared. The Good Friday Agreement explicitly gives the right to an Irish or British identity, or both, or neither.
Hamas want a Palestinian state from the river to the sea. The Provos wanted the Brits out. As did the old IRA. Hamas want the invader, the Jews, out - they donât recognise Israel, to them the invaders are Jews - and they are correct that the invaders are Jews, just as the invaders on this island were Brits. Pretty much directly equivalent, so.
yeah made the vast majority of Palestinians are sunni - the stated aim of hamas is to create an islamic state.
In fact I was being unfair to provos in that comparison as they couldnât give a fuck about religion in the main
Hamas want an Islamic state, mate
Harakat Al-Muqawama Al-Islamia
They want a Palestinian state. They may be Islamists but they want a Palestinian state from the river to the sea. Thatâs their raison dâetre.
itâs not. They want an Islamic state. Theyâre a religious movement.
You really are a hypocrite
Wot. Eva.
prove they arenât, which is your argument all night
Youâre asking me to prove something I havenât said. Nice going.