Most of the Jews and Palestinians are recent migrants to the area, only about 1.5 million were there 70 years ago.
The provos goal was a secular republic. The opposite of what Hamas want. A Palestinian state or Palestinian majority state would be an Islamist state. You know this.
ok, youâre a liar and a hypocrite.
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They want a Palestinian state from the river to the sea. They say they want it to be Islamist. So what. The Provos didnât get what they wanted. They were negotiated down. Same as Hamas would be if anybody in power in Israel had a brain.
But you havenât remotely explained why.
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Why the fuck would any person in their right mind living in Israel want to live in an Islamist state. Most Arabs in Israel donât want that let alone Jews.
So the idea of a Islamist Palestinian state from the river to the sea is a pure fantasy. It has no hope of ever happening. Because only a small minority of people in Israel/Palestine support it.
Hamas is primarily a political movement with a bit of Islamism tacked on. Most of the people who support them support them because they are the most hardline political/resistance outlet against Israel available to them. Their supporters mainly donât give a shit about Islamism. They do care about being able to practice Islam in peace though. One of Israelâs consistent tactics is to try and deny them the ability to do that, most notably at Al Aqsa. To denigrate it and to shit on it. Israel and Zionism itself is an extremist religious movement which portrayed itself as political.
Thereâs nothing inherently economically unviable about Northern Ireland. Luxembourg, for instance, is one of the most prosperous states in the world. The only difference is governance and the behaviour of people.
The only difference is Luxembourg is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, driven by a strong private sector including 150 banks with almost a trillion euro in assets, and NI an unviable state depending on the UK providing 25% of itâs GDP in subsidies and with 30% of employment in the public sector. In that respect Ireland is quite similar to Luxembourg, NI is not. NI could survive on itâs own but unless someone else picked up the 10 billion tab living standards would plummet compared to Ireland. NI leaving the UK and going it alone would be similar to all MNCs leaving Ireland at once.
A Palestinian state from the river to the sea wonât happen because Israel wonât allow it, for understandable reasons. Other than Israel there isnât one democratic state in the Middle East, they only vary in how repressive they are in terms of how they treat women, people of other religions, gays, etc. Yet you believe a Palestinian state would not be Islamist or repressive. Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood and is clearly Islamist, a hint would be in their name Islamic Resistance Movement. Why do you think a Palestinian state would be any different to any other Muslim majority state in the region?
Thatâs not much of an argument, Thomas. If you were serious about repudiating what you call âwest Britishnessâ youâd have no interest in Liverpool FC and youâd be conversing as Gaeilge here.
Youâre worse for responding to that west Brit.
Labour caught up in it now.
thats batshits chance gone, or thatll be the excuse sheâll use when she inevitably loses
We have a lovely little example of pairing in the recent June 2 vote on the Health and Criminal Justice (Covid-19) (Amendment) Bill 2021. This vote related to what RĂłisĂn Shortall called the âextension of those draconian powersâ. Five brave and bold Sinn FĂŠin TDs (McDonald, Farrell, Andrews, Ă Broin, and Kerrane) were absent because they were paired with five government TDs who could not attend the vote. So, despite being a so-called âopposition partyâ, and opposed to the extension in public, behind the scenes they cut a lovely little deal with FF/FG/Greens to ensure the government didnât lose their majority voting position.
So they canât vote because five govt TDs canât vote. Wouldnât change the result anyway if all 10 TDs are allowed vote. I donât really get the point here, it doesnât make any impact on the outcome of the vote.
If SF donât agree to it then itâs just 5 extra votes for yes, 5 for no. Result stays the same.
No problem mate. I think youâre missing the key point. The five government TDs were absent from the houses on the day of the vote, for whatever reason. One of them is on mat leave, for example. Because of a pairing arrangement, five SF TDâs were subsequently absent from the vote. If the 5 SF TDs voted as their party had been projecting publicly, it would have been a tie.
From the Irish Times: âPairing is an arrangement between two TDs of opposing parties to not vote in a particular division, enabling them to be absent without affecting the result.â
If SF didnât agree to this, would those TDs suddenly have been available to vote though?
Thatâs a good question, but not the key point. As an opposition party, I would have expected SF to tell the government to go fuck themselves, and vote as per the partyâs public views.
Iâm anti SF IRA as much as the next man but I think the pairing system is used all the time where TDs canât make a vote and there is a well worn parliamentary etiquette to it
Maybe but itâs a reciprocal arrangement as far as Iâm aware.
If the vote is that important the government will do what they can to get the right numbers, so itâs futile in essence to interrupt it.