The reality is the housing crisis is a result of FG policy.
Jennifer Carroll MacNeill just tore the Shinners a new one there on Matt Cooper, she really doesnât like them.
Again, Labour were in power along with them when house construction fell to the lowest in Europe.
Labour are not in power now that it is the highest.
Itâs possible to criticise Fine Gael but it is verrrrrry rich for Labour heads to do so on housing.
If the complaint is not a criminal matter, then why is it being referred to the Gardai?
Complete bullshit. As well you know.
Shooting fish in a barrel at this stage.
Was that not due to the fact we were in a hole economically?
Deal with the point.
They were in power when 8k homes p.a. were built.
Alan Kelly was the Minister in charge of housing when the below happened;
He was Minister in charge for 2 years. Eoghan Murphy was just three years but got blamed immediately for any negative stories on homelessness, including by the likes of you.
Partially. But can someone tell me what years do and do not count on the issue?
The years with the lowest construction were 2011 to 2016 with just over 20% of what we are building today.
Whatever about other parties, Iâm trying to understand why someone like @Juhniallio can go out with a straight face on housing. The periods with the best home construction in the State have never involved the Labour Party.
âThe pointâ is so stupid it wasnât barely worth responding to. The figures didnât suddenly drop because of Kellyâs ministerial edict. They fell off a cliff because of FG policy. Successive FG ministers before and after failed to deal with it and are still failing to deal with it.
You struggle with that for some reason but thatâs your issue.
Eoghan Murphy is an utter cunt.
There was one Minister before him. Government policy of 2011 to 2016 was FG and Labour.
You putting forward your personal prejudices on Murphy is not a good look.
Anyway, I actually like Kelly and I think some of the reforms he tried were great. For example he tried to bring about more Scandinavian style housing for younger people- the likes of yourself and your mates would have been talking that down as degrading standards though.
Similarly Murphy made some good reforms that led to the supply boom we have seen since 2020.
The point her was very specific to @Juhniallio.
Why would anyone vote for Labour on housing?
You seem very obsessed with Murphy. He was minister for 3 years - about the same amount of time as Kelly yet in your head heâs responsible for every issue in the housing market. Itâs a bit weird to be honest.
Iâd be inclined to think @farmerinthecity has caught the nub of it - we stopped building for half a decade due to the crash and weâve never caught up.
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Agreed.
They were smug as fuck when they had an army of shinnerbots winning everything for them and convinced themselves the game had changed and ffg were too thick to understand. They delighted in their roles as outsiders. Now they are stuck without a badgers notion how to get out of this mess.
Hilarious. So now itâs Kellyâs fault because he was environment minister during that time? I understand the concept of collective responsibility alright but you are absolving fg of the blame? Hogan was the minster for over 3 years. Kelly for less than 2. Itâs a bizarre jump in logic.
He refused to introduce any meaningful response when the crisis started to bite. I thought his tenure was shameful. Coveney escapes any flak but the current crisis was widely predicted during his time and he did nothing to address it.
You also have to factor in that the FG housing ministers has party colleagues in finance and the taoiseachâs office. There was no brake on what they could have done. Kelly was in nothing like the same position, minority partners in government get rode. Like OâGorman dealing with the immigration crisis and multiple other issues.
Bizarre. So surely fg are even more to blame than labour for this period? Given they had for more tds and had the ministry for over 3 years of the 5?
I didnât say it was his fault, I pointed out your logic being thick as pigshit.
You go on about people staying with what they know despite it allâŚbut perhaps it is that they see the progress?
Your attack line is something the other oppositions can make, for you it is risible.
So we are into the territory now accepting Labour deserve blame?
Great, now tell me how your attack line works when you are going up against the likes of the Soc Dems with âcleanâ hands?
Eh hereâs you saying its his fault
That story is like something out of Father Ted. Stanley doesnât appear to have done very much wrong in the real sense but youâd be morto for him. Heâs comes across like a mixture of Bishop Brennan and Father Jack. Heâll lose his seat Iâd say and Sinn Fein wonât get one either.