[quote=âmaroonandwhite, post: 851336, member: 1406â]I donât think thereâs any one set of issues or mental health problems or life circumstances that can be shown to cause suicide. I understand the rationale against Facebook pages etc especially when a teen or younger person commits suicide, as their peers might be at a life development stage where they canât handle such emotional trauma properly. Then again some people never develop the maturity to handle such trauma, or are just genetically pre disposed against doing so.
I suppose people just find themselves in deep despair, or just canât face the pain. I remember a man in my parish drinking weed killer once. He immediately regretted it, drove to hospital but was too late. Other people I know have committed suicide after relationship break ups, and Iâve read about people in the pits of depression and who on having a light or momentarily happy moment decide to take their own lives as the thought of returning to anguish must for them be unbearable. For some the thought of embarrassment or losing face due to business failure etc is enough, and the stigma against admitting you have a problem is the number one issue Irish society needs to address.
While I agree with the impersonal and euphemism laden reporting of a suicide initially, as an emotionally charged situation can cause others to react irrationally, once a period of time has passed there needs to be a frank discussion on what happened, using the persons name, discussing what they did and then explaining to people, especially young people that if they had thought differently about their situation, or asked for help, things could have improved straight away.[/quote]
The buman mind is a strange thing and on this thread we havenât even scratched the surface of what can be in there, and nor, I think, would most of us want to. Well, we kind of do, but really we donât.
The only thing that can be done, in my opinion, is, to improve mental health services, and to become more understanding towards those with mental health problems. I honestly donât think any more can be done, short of abandoning the whole economic system that modern civilisation is based on.
[quote=âSidney, post: 851342, member: 183â]The buman mind is a strange thing and on this thread we havenât even scratched the surface of what can be in there, and nor, I think, would most of us want to. Well, we kind of do, but really we donât.
The only thing that can be done, in my opinion, is, to improve mental health services, and to become more understanding towards those with mental health problems. I honestly donât think any more can be done, short of abandoning the whole economic system that modern civilisation is based on.[/quote]
The economic system, while hopeless, doesnât affect people who canât handle overwhelming emotional pain or despair. Youâre right about mental health services, some of the secure accommodation in this country amounts to a violation of human right s itâs so bad. People in pain who have previously experienced it are genuinely afraid to go near it. If everybody hd access to good counselling services if needed it would help hugely, as someone explaining the trap your mind has set and a way out is all thatâs needed sometimes. Abandoning our system of government where citizens health is prioritised behind debt repayment and foreign aid payment, which we canât afford at the moment, would help.
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post: 851339, member: 273â]Iâm not trying to pass myself off as one, believe me.
But I disagree a little. I think we have a label and name for everyone and itâs mostly to do with our discomfort with people who are not ânormalâ. You call them sociopaths, but I would not classify someone who I am thinking about as a sociopath.
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The type of person Iâm thinking about does not fall into this catogary.
We love labels as they making our thinking easier and let us not worry about something or someone who challenges us by quickly dismissing them with one word. I donât agree with it. I think we, and situations in life, are far more complex than that.
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This has nothing to do with whether someone is normal or not, or my perception of normality Kev. I understand people can get bouts of depression and there are many ways this can make them act. I understand people kill themselves for a variety of reasons. I just donât think that feeling superior to everyone to the point of thinking your best option is suicide is one of them.
I would say that thinking you are so much better than everyone that they canât relate to you and that you should therefore kill yourself would be classed as extreme and antisocial behaviour.
[quote=ânlgbbbblth, post: 217079, member: 248â]the first step in tackling suicide is to acknowledge its existence.
All suicides should be reported as such - none of this intelligence-insulting âdied tragicallyâ rubbish.[/quote]
Not stating that it was death by suicide is only a relatively recent thing in the media. It has been widely researched that âacknowledging itâs existenceâ in the media has the exact opposite effect of âtacklingâ the problem. It has been found that when death was reported as suicide it generally resulted in there being a cluster of suicides shortly afterwards. This is the reason that these deaths are reported to the effect that someone âdied tragicallyâ. You coming out with statements like this is âintelligence-insultingâ.
If your lucky enough to have a safe and loving upbringing then its a good start in life. Even with that your a slave to the DNA thats embedded in your fibre.
Growing up is especially tough these days as now more than ever the focus of human value focuses heavily on appearance and money making ability⌠and whats it all for⌠to fill our lives with unnecessary junk that only restricts the time spent on the important things.
You need to have a solid head on your shoulers to see through it all. It took me long enough⌠would hate to do it all again.
These âsuicide clustersâ you speak of are out there anyway it seems over the past number of years, so this reporting obviously isnât working either.
Everyone knows it suicide anyway so reporting doesnât make a difference. It causes more problems that it solves. These clusters will happen no matter how its reported. Iâd love to see the study which proves that media reporting causes them.
Iâve very little time for the catholic church and priests in general but I have to say that most of them are vocal in their support during funerals about encouraging people to seek help if they feel down. None that Iâve seen are willing to gloss over the issue with one in particular calling it the greatest waste of life known to man.
[quote=âKinvaraâs Passion, post: 851371, member: 686â]If your lucky enough to have a safe and loving upbringing then its a good start in life. Even with that your a slave to the DNA thats embedded in your fibre.
Growing up is especially tough these days as now more than ever the focus of human value focuses heavily on appearance and money making ability⌠and whats it all for⌠to fill our lives with unnecessary junk that only restricts the time spent on the important things.
You need to have a solid head on your shoulers to see through it all. It took me long enough⌠would hate to do it all again.[/quote]
I guess this kind of thing is positive to see but media should be pushing this all year round rather than just in the aftermath of a high profile suicide.
[quote=âKinvaraâs Passion, post: 851371, member: 686â]If your lucky enough to have a safe and loving upbringing then its a good start in life. Even with that your a slave to the DNA thats embedded in your fibre.
Growing up is especially tough these days as now more than ever the focus of human value focuses heavily on appearance and money making ability⌠and whats it all for⌠to fill our lives with unnecessary junk that only restricts the time spent on the important things.
You need to have a solid head on your shoulers to see through it all. It took me long enough⌠would hate to do it all again.[/quote]
Maybe true but a lot of the reason why is because we are being reared much softer, everyone seems to have a sense of entitlement nowadays.
That research isnât conclusive at all. There is a huge body of research out there, some supports the idea that you shouldnât report suicides, some contracdicts it.
The general advice that the WHO has issued is that you should avoid technical details about the suicide, avoid the word suicide in headlines and to avoid glamourising the death. In practice, the Irish media go far beyond that guidance, even though there are specific guidelines for the Irish media written by Headline and the Samaritans.
That Samaritans guide is online. It doesnât suggest that suicides should not be reported - it offers some helpful advice (most of it obvious) on how the deaths should be reported and some phrases and details that should be avoided.
A guy I was in college with went into the river off the new Mallow Street bridge one evening. I reckon that I was one of the last people he spoke to. He had been under a bit of pressure over the previous weeks with exams etc. But to this day it bothers me if I had maybe made more of an effort to talk to him that day.
I know we all get caught up in our own lives but sometimes we need to put the head up and look around us. Either to talk or to listen.
[quote=âRocko, post: 851403, member: 1â]That research isnât conclusive at all. There is a huge body of research out there, some supports the idea that you shouldnât report suicides, some contracdicts it.
The general advice that the WHO has issued is that you should avoid technical details about the suicide, avoid the word suicide in headlines and to avoid glamourising the death. In practice, the Irish media go far beyond that guidance, even though there are specific guidelines for the Irish media written by Headline and the Samaritans.
That Samaritans guide is online. It doesnât suggest that suicides should not be reported - it offers some helpful advice (most of it obvious) on how the deaths should be reported and some phrases and details that should be avoided.[/quote]
Should we really be following the advice of Daltrey and Townshend on this subject?
A lot of it is media pressure, celebrity exposure, people having unrealistic expectations about what their life should be or a pressure to behave a certain way.
Are we at a stage in western society where Maslowâs Hierarchy of Needs where biological and basic life needs are satisfied, safety needs are satisfied and people then struggle as they become concerned with the higher needs - love, self esteem, personal potential. People struggle to satisfy these needs and this leads to problems.
Maybe just psycho babble but do people have too much time to think and compare their lives to others nowadays.
There is a lad from @Fagan ODowd county missing from my work place since Tuesday evening. I didnt know the fella to be honest but hopefully heâll turn up somewhere safe and sound. The days are passing though and no sign.
[quote=âbalbec, post: 851410, member: 193â]A guy I was in college with went into the river off the new Mallow Street bridge one evening. I reckon that I was one of the last people he spoke to. He had been under a bit of pressure over the previous weeks with exams etc. But to this day it bothers me if I had maybe made more of an effort to talk to him that day.
I know we all get caught up in our own lives but sometimes we need to put the head up and look around us. Either to talk or to listen.[/quote]
I had a similar moment just yesterday evening. A friend of mine who has had her problems with depression in the past was asking me about how I was getting on. I had spoken to her previously about the topic about a year back and she was doing very well. She is in a relationship with what seems to be a very sound lad so I thought all was good. She told me yesterday that she isnât feeling great at all. Naturally I told her to give me a shout any time but it just goes to show that you are so caught up in your own life that you just assume people are doing well around you.
