People go on about this epidemic. Life can be a right cunt though. Some level of suicide is, dare I say it, natural. It is just that society tends to view suicide as a āwasteā as it is self inflicted. Yet the same society would talk about putting a dog with a broken leg to sleep as being a humane means of ending its torture. People who commit suicide have an unknown level of torture going on yet its a āwasteā.
I have had some interesting discussions with people on suicide. One person viewed it as a brave act, which is far away from the notion of āselfishnessā which is often portrayed. Brave could be defined as the willing suffering of pain in order to achieve a certain goal. In order for people to kill themselves, an incredible amount of pain is required and the goal of ending their hell is achieved. An interesting way of looking at it.
@caoimhaoin is dead right though with regard to Irish people being generally understanding and clued in around the topic. You only have to read some of the excellent posts on this thread to see that. Then you have the likes of Bressie coming along and saying we are all mugs. Clown.[/QUOTE]
Certainly a lot of discussion about it. That isnāt necessarily a good thing though as some of contributions show a lack of understanding and could be harmful (eg Donal Walsh). There could be more effective interventions done in schools and elsewhere though.
Cover up of suicide is far more prevelant in Oz and USA anyway from my experience.
Up until last year the mining companies didnāt count the relatively large number of suicides in Northern WA as a health and safety issue.
In WA there is large rates of suicide amongst the aboriginals and they make a big thing about them but European Aussies cover it up a lot in white related suicides. Like everything else with them anything that may be considered a national weakness is brushed under the carpet.
There has been a slight improvement, mostly thru sport and it comes from the East Coast and the NRL & AL
People go on about this epidemic. Life can be a right cunt though. Some level of suicide is, dare I say it, natural. It is just that society tends to view suicide as a āwasteā as it is self inflicted. Yet the same society would talk about putting a dog with a broken leg to sleep as being a humane means of ending its torture. People who commit suicide have an unknown level of torture going on yet its a āwasteā.
I have had some interesting discussions with people on suicide. One person viewed it as a brave act, which is far away from the notion of āselfishnessā which is often portrayed. Brave could be defined as the willing suffering of pain in order to achieve a certain goal. In order for people to kill themselves, an incredible amount of pain is required and the goal of ending their hell is achieved. An interesting way of looking at it.
@caoimhaoin is dead right though with regard to Irish people being generally understanding and clued in around the topic. You only have to read some of the excellent posts on this thread to see that. Then you have the likes of Bressie coming along and saying we are all mugs. Clown.[/QUOTE]
I sort of agree with this, but my younger brother vanished in London a few years ago and was gone without trace til we located him thanks to an outstanding policeman and a slice of luck. I thought for a while he was in the river after many painful hours and nights tracing every contact in the address book he had left behind and the pain of this was exquisite.
It was a fucking hard time Iāll tell you. Iām not sure it is a brave decision but I wouldnāt presume either to judge it as weak. Endogenous depression must be a terrible terrible affliction.
24 year old - mate of a mate- gone last night in Limerick. I also heard the chopper out last night and someone was saved on Monday ā¦Donāt think they recovered the body of the 63 year old from the week before- leaves behind 5 kids and grand kids. Talking to a doc in the regional and he said they are flowing inā¦ An amount of road deaths, or āmisadventuresā, are suicides but are not reported as suchā¦ iād say if all accounts of suicide were properly recorded as that those figures would be much higherā¦ but then thereās a degree of that in every country.
Too true- Lotās of pressure on younger folk to be winning at life these days because everyone else āseemsā to beā¦You really have to talk to your kids from a young age and I mean proper talkā¦ Not saying that will combat something like depression but it will give them better coping skills in generalā¦ A good belt of a stick will do the cunts no harm every now and again either mind.
People go on about this epidemic. Life can be a right cunt though. Some level of suicide is, dare I say it, natural. It is just that society tends to view suicide as a āwasteā as it is self inflicted. Yet the same society would talk about putting a dog with a broken leg to sleep as being a humane means of ending its torture. People who commit suicide have an unknown level of torture going on yet its a āwasteā.
I have had some interesting discussions with people on suicide. One person viewed it as a brave act, which is far away from the notion of āselfishnessā which is often portrayed. Brave could be defined as the willing suffering of pain in order to achieve a certain goal. In order for people to kill themselves, an incredible amount of pain is required and the goal of ending their hell is achieved. An interesting way of looking at it.
@caoimhaoin is dead right though with regard to Irish people being generally understanding and clued in around the topic. You only have to read some of the excellent posts on this thread to see that. Then you have the likes of Bressie coming along and saying we are all mugs. Clown.[/QUOTE]
Life is a funny thing really. [SIZE=3]I think you have to enjoy it on a different level to that which we actually do. What are we at working away like fools. [/SIZE]
This is pure bullshit talk as Iām half cut, but I think people that are depressed, think on life too much. If you actually sit down and think about life then youāre fucked.
[QUOTE=āJulio Geordio, post: 1059640, member: 332ā]Life is a funny thing really. [SIZE=3]I think you have to enjoy it on a different level to that which we actually do. What are we at working away like fools. [/SIZE]
This is pure bullshit talk as Iām half cut, but I think people that are depressed, think on life too much. If you actually sit down and think about life then youāre fucked.[/QUOTE]
Quality:pint:
Parenting is a difficult game. You have the kid with their own unique personality. You have a parent who has their perception of how the kid should behave and react. You then have the fine line between discipline and allowing them to fuck up. Then you have the huge restrictions of todays modern lifeā¦ time. We have everything we need at arms reach except quality time.
There is no manual for parenting, most parents give it a real go and hope for the best.
From my limited research, Trying to build confidence in kids (not cockyness) is the key. Brian Tracey has some interesting information on this and it kinda comes down to loving them without exception. No matter how fucking bad things get, they will always have somewhere to call home. Easier said than doneā¦
But then there is mental illnessā¦ and you have very little control over this only to be aware of it. I was at a kids carol singing thing this morningā¦ Some kids are were more anxious than others, Some kids are loopers and ran wild, some kids sat there and said nothing and were calm and almost passive. All unique and thatās at 3 years of age.
thatās the whole problem right there in one sentence ā¦ a lot of young people think they have to belong to whatever society is doing or what direction its going or else you are āleft behindāā¦a lot of young people donāt necessarily fit in to that and feel they are outsiders because they donāt have the same aspirations as others around themā¦I think its sad that for a country who traditionally produced great artists , story tellers and poets we have an education system that is totally focused on gearing people for the rat race to have a āgood jobā regardless if it makes a person miserable or totally consumes their lifeā¦
Yeah but the way life in general is here unless you have the brains and drive to get a āgood jobā you will be landed with a mundane existence. Namely being a lifelong scouser or Mancā¦(the most retarded nicknames imaginable)
Itās all well and good being positive but thatās the reality for a lot of lads.
[QUOTE=āBad Winner, post: 1059658, member: 2406ā]Yeah but the way life in general is here unless you have the brains and drive to get a āgood jobā you will be landed with a mundane existence. Namely being a lifelong scouser or Mancā¦(the most retarded nicknames imaginable)
Itās all well and good being positive but thatās the reality for a lot of lads.[/QUOTE]
I donāt think we have to ākeep upā. I think we think we have to.
When you hit late 20ās/ early 30ās you really see who your friends are. The good ones will never give a fuck what you do, who you marry, how much money you have etc. we think some people care, and if they do weāre wasting our time trying to impress them as weāll never satisfy them and they are not real friends anyway.
I think that and living up to parents expectations are two things that people need to avoid. Half the time stress and pressure is actually only percieved stress and pressure.
I have found being away from home and coming back gives fantastic perspective.
[QUOTE=ācaoimhaoin, post: 1059764, member: 273ā]I donāt think we have to ākeep upā. I think we think we have to.
When you hit late 20ās/ early 30ās you really see who your friends are. The good ones will never give a fuck what you do, who you marry, how much money you have etc. we think some people care, and if they do weāre wasting our time trying to impress them as weāll never satisfy them and they are not real friends anyway.
I think that and living up to parents expectations are two things that people need to avoid. Half the time stress and pressure is actually only percieved stress and pressure.
I have found being away from home and coming back gives fantastic perspective.[/QUOTE]
Your right about not having to keep up but it takes a certain confidence within ones self to differentiate yourself from the done thing. Its a confidence that should be encouraged though but rarely is.
[QUOTE=āKinvaraās Passion, post: 1059647, member: 686ā]Parenting is a difficult game. You have the kid with their own unique personality. You have a parent who has their perception of how the kid should behave and react. You then have the fine line between discipline and allowing them to fuck up. Then you have the huge restrictions of todays modern lifeā¦ time. We have everything we need at arms reach except quality time.
There is no manual for parenting, most parents give it a real go and hope for the best.
From my limited research, Trying to build confidence in kids (not cockyness) is the key. Brian Tracey has some interesting information on this and it kinda comes down to loving them without exception. No matter how fucking bad things get, they will always have somewhere to call home. Easier said than doneā¦
But then there is mental illnessā¦ and you have very little control over this only to be aware of it. I was at a kids carol singing thing this morningā¦ Some kids are were more anxious than others, Some kids are loopers and ran wild, some kids sat there and said nothing and were calm and almost passive. All unique and thatās at 3 years of age.
You do your best and hope for the best.[/QUOTE]
Great post KP. Was only talking to a fella about this yesterday. He has his last of four doing the leaving this yr and he said once they are happy and have good friends let them find their own way. Pressure about exams or their future is a pile of bollox really as there are many ways to build a life for yourself.
[QUOTE=āKinvaraās Passion, post: 1059647, member: 686ā]Parenting is a difficult game. You have the kid with their own unique personality. You have a parent who has their perception of how the kid should behave and react. You then have the fine line between discipline and allowing them to fuck up. Then you have the huge restrictions of todays modern lifeā¦ time. We have everything we need at arms reach except quality time.
There is no manual for parenting, most parents give it a real go and hope for the best.
From my limited research, Trying to build confidence in kids (not cockyness) is the key. Brian Tracey has some interesting information on this and it kinda comes down to loving them without exception. No matter how fucking bad things get, they will always have somewhere to call home. Easier said than doneā¦
But then there is mental illnessā¦ and you have very little control over this only to be aware of it. I was at a kids carol singing thing this morningā¦ Some kids are were more anxious than others, Some kids are loopers and ran wild, some kids sat there and said nothing and were calm and almost passive. All unique and thatās at 3 years of age.
You do your best and hope for the best.[/QUOTE]
Thatās a great post KP.