Heard the same from a cop friend about single vehicle accidents.
The chopper was hovering over my apartment block this morning, Live95fm actually clarified on the 12 clock news that no one went in today. I was relieved but itâs a bad state of affairs all the same.
This thread makes for hard, but necessary reading. Iâm sorry for any of you who have been affected by suicide this year. Thankfully I havenât been directly affected, though my cousins brother in law took his life earlier this year, 40 years old, leaves three children behind. The recognition of mental illness and the lack of blame seems to be more prevalent in Ireland and this is a great societal step. I listened to Eight Days in November earlier this year in the car, nearly had to pull over a few times. Powerful and those people really are true heroes.
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2014/0418/647644-documentary-podcast-eight-days-november-suicide-enniscorthy/
Look after you and yours this Christmas lads.
[QUOTE=âFitzy, post: 1061052, member: 236â]This thread makes for hard, but necessary reading. Iâm sorry for any of you who have been affected by suicide this year. Thankfully I havenât been directly affected, though my cousins brother in law took his life earlier this year, 40 years old, leaves three children behind. The recognition of mental illness and the lack of blame seems to be more prevalent in Ireland and this is a great societal step. I listened to Eight Days in November earlier this year in the car, nearly had to pull over a few times. Powerful and those people really are true heroes.
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2014/0418/647644-documentary-podcast-eight-days-november-suicide-enniscorthy/
Look after you and yours this Christmas lads.[/QUOTE]
Fuck thatâs grim
Looks like Clarke Carlisle attempted this today.
Yup - hasnât been reported as such but I read an article which highlighted his previous suicide attempts so adding 2+2 togetherâŚ
Wow. Could be a horrible ripple effect from that considering how much of a spokesman for mental health issues he was. Terrible stuff
Terrible - the poor fella.
Labelled Britainâs Brainiest Footballer. The old correlation between intelligence and depression striking again.
Same fella strikes me as an attention seeker and was never much of a footballer, seems to have made a name for himself not through his football prowess
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 1061121, member: 24â]Terrible - the poor fella.
Labelled Britainâs Brainiest Footballer. The old correlation between intelligence and depression striking again.[/QUOTE]
Emotional intelligence to be specific.
I disagree. Often they are overwhelmed by their emotions and live in a cocoon for last while of their life. They see emotions which they are experiencing as never ending and so decide to end it all. Ironically they experience an uplift in mood once decision is made as end of pain is in sight. They cannot see their emotions as just that and instead perceive never ending darkness which is irreversible. Low frustration tolerance and an inability to get perspective in times of despair are common traits. They are often academically intelligent but
intrapersonal intelligence can be weak with an inability to see perspective
[QUOTE=âRaymond Crotty, post: 1061298, member: 25â] They are often academically intelligent but
intrapersonal intelligence can be weak with an inability to see perspective[/QUOTE]
totally agree⌠in a lot of cases they have such a distorted outlook on how things really are because they are totally consumed by the negative voices in their head and there is no clarityâŚa lot of times thye have distanced themselves from other people and the voice of reason ⌠they are constantly beating themselves up to the point of feeling absolutely worthless and incapable of change when with clarity they would realise there are every few problems that canât be solvedâŚ
[QUOTE=âRaymond Crotty, post: 1061298, member: 25â]I disagree. Often they are overwhelmed by their emotions and live in a cocoon for last while of their life. They see emotions which they are experiencing as never ending and so decide to end it all. Ironically they experience an uplift in mood once decision is made as end of pain is in sight. They cannot see their emotions as just that and instead perceive never ending darkness which is irreversible. Low frustration tolerance and an inability to get perspective in times of despair are common traits. They are often academically intelligent but
intrapersonal intelligence can be weak with an inability to see perspective[/QUOTE]
Great post Ray.
Low frustration tolerance.
In other words coping ability.
Thatâs what it is all about for me.
It should be intuitive but no harm teaching kids coping mechanisms in schools from an early age.
I disagree. I think, and this is just a theory based on a few I knew and a few if the more famous ones, that they have a great emotional sense and also can see thru a lot of the bull shit in the world and the falseness of so many people these days and feel desperate when the life they prefer seems almost impossible.
Maybe that emotional intelligence erodes over time with more desperation. Is desperation an indicator of low emotional intelligence? Maybe, but I donât believe so although weâd have to get a more qualified view Iâd say.
But I have never heard or would imagine the academically gifted being high suicide victims unless they were also high on the emotion side of intelligence as well, which of course is possible also.
A psychologist friend of mine agrees with the mantra that only good people get depressed, and generally these people are the most likely suicide victims also. I do realise that being âgoodâ does not mean a high emotional intelligence btw. She also doesnât believe in the whole âselfish way outâ carry on and itâs usually far more complex than that.
Of course when you think about it, itâs all guess work really. Nobody really knows.
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 1061305, member: 24â]Low frustration tolerance.
In other words coping ability.
Thatâs what it is all about for me.
It should be intuitive but no harm teaching kids coping mechanisms in schools from an early age.[/QUOTE]
Thatâs actually quite a arrogant, nasty and narrow view of people who take their own lives IMO. I think itâs outrageous to put incredible, sometimes Iâm sure unbearable pain down to a lack of coping ability.
Weâd all struggle in certain situations.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1061309, member: 273â]Thatâs actually quite a arrogant, nasty and narrow view of people who take their own lives IMO. I think itâs outrageous to put incredible, sometimes Iâm sure unbearable pain down to a lack of coping ability.
Weâd all struggle in certain situations.[/QUOTE]
he was talking from his point of view or experience palâŚnot preaching itâŚ
He didnât say that. And even if he was clear, is every single person he knows who did this in that catogory, I find that extremely hard to believe. Itâs a clear " those people are weak and Iâm strong" comment. " I like farmer, but itâs a cunt of a comment.
Iâm sure itâs part of a reason for it in some cases, but not all.
Is suicide because a young mans calls for help against abuse lacking coping skills? When asking for helping is in fact coping, whereas the ignorance or cover up is out of their control.
There is no one blanket you can throw over suicide.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1061346, member: 273â]He didnât say that. And even if he was clear, is every single person he knows who did this in that catogory, I find that extremely hard to believe. Itâs a clear " those people are weak and Iâm strong" comment. " I like farmer, but itâs a cunt of a comment.
Iâm sure itâs part of a reason for it in some cases, but not all.
Is suicide because a young mans calls for help against abuse lacking coping skills? When asking for helping is in fact coping, whereas the ignorance or cover up is out of their control.
There is no one blanket you can throw over suicide.[/QUOTE]
Christ. Are you thick? Re-read his post.
He didnât label anyone. He merely set out what his own issues were.
I first seriously contemplated suicide while living in Boston. As happens to a lot of expats, I found myself drinking the arse out of it. Blackouts were common, going into work plastered became too common near the end of my stay. I would arrive into work, show my face and then head to a cubicle on another floor for a kip till about lunch time untill I âsoberedâ up. One night, while pissed decided I was going to buy some blades, go for a hot bath a slit my wrists. Itâs pretty easy to make a decision like that when pissed, angry and vengeful. The fact that my brother and father were in Boston at the time gave me enough clarity to pull the plug. Shortly after, I made the decision to return home as I knew if I continued on the same path there was only going to be one outcome. I was unhappy and drinking was just a vehicle of escapism for me.
Pretty much knocked drink on itâs head when I returned home and started exercising and running in particular. Life has been pretty cruel to Mrs. FWP and myself in the past 4 years. I have often had suicidal thoughts over this period, which would be triggered by some personal crisis. I googled âeasy ways to kill yourselfâ on a number of occasions. I know that I would ruin Mrs. FWPâs life and that of my family if I was to go down that road. This has nipped it in the bud so far for me. I have abstained from drink for about 20 months now. Itâs been really easy to do as life does not permit nights out anymore. However, it has been a blessing in disguise as alcohol combined with a heightened emotional state are a bad combination for me (and many others Iâd imagine). Running has been a huge positive impact mentally aswell.
Suicide is complex. You can have all the theories in the world on why people commit suicide etc. However, the causes are varied and near on impossible to draw any firm conclusions. I would respectively ask not to receive any PMs on the back of this.