Teachers

[EstebanSexface]

more whataboutery - we’re on to striking now.

You still haven’t answered my question.

so you think teaching is an important profession?

[Malarkey]

@Juhniallio

@Malarkey

@Juhniallio

@Malarkey

@Juhniallio

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

A pity @Juhniallio is now throwing a strop after making an idiot of himself. Would be nice if he for once had the good grace to admit he’s tied himself up in not after being far too sensitive and defensive to a very reasonable point.

Good man. You refused to answer the question but managed to produce 10/15 posts of yourself squawking around the chessboard.

So let’s ladybird this for you.

@fulvio incontrovertible fact number 1
You need to be very intelligent to build a bridge or wrote code or higher maths subjects like applied maths.

@fulvio incontrovertible fact number 2
You dont need intelligence to teach kids.

Question, as yet unanswered by Fulvio…
Do you need to be intelligent to teach Applied maths or by extension, engineering?

This latchiko’s level of delusion about his ‘debating abilities’ is off the charts.

He could not debate refereeing with James Owens.

If pointing out that a fella holds two contrary opinions doesn’t constitute debate for you that’s ok with me. From your posts above it seems that personal insults is the debating style you appreciate most. Fulvio’s tenets are untenable, but there’s great enjoyment in watching him at work on here and occasionally engaging. You’re just a sad old hack who considers himself a sort of Wildean debater whereas your posts are more of the McGregor style. The odd sneaky rabbitpunch but forever in the gutter. And snarling at the stars.

Look, the likes of you now is to double standards what Al Porter is to shyness. You seem terribly exercised about insults until it comes to your turn. And, of course, the Aughnacloy Shaman aka Eoghan Harris can say what he likes.

It gives me great pleasure to rile rancid fuckers like you, with literary delusions. Joe O’Connor and John Boyne are probably your favourite writers.

How many times have you used the line ‘x or y are probably your favourite writers?’
Sad that a fella who clearly values linguistic intelligence so highly is so unoriginal himself. A sad, desperate, washed up hack, stooping so low as to argue with the great unwashed on an internet forum. I’d say the bitterness sweeps in fast after a few whiskeys alright.

Ah, whiskeys… Well done.

Methinks you must be a failed hack, or something, in that hackery approximates to ‘the predictably boring’. And you seem to be terribly attentive to my musings, for some reason.

Amazing how obsessed lads here are with all things journo. Believe me: ye need not be. Most of them are as every bit as tedious and mediocre as you. And Joe O’Connor admirers.

Meanwhile you were not at all on my radar. Now I know better. Then again, I am not an e-men’s shed type.

Carry on hackling, so to speak. You are a bit better at it than yer man.

You probably even know what 52 minus… Ah, never mind. You are a busy man.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@flattythehurdler

I think you have to have extremes of patience, and be of very high EQ to be a good teacher.

I’d agree

@flattythehurdler

High EQ does not go hand in glove with mathematical ability, but the two are linked.

You can link anything.

@flattythehurdler

The Irish education system is as good as is available anywhere in the world on the whole

Is it? It’s a first world country so it should be one of the best really.

@flattythehurdler

I really can’t understand your problem with teaching and teachers.

You don’t see an issue with teachers propensity to strike and forego their duties when they are extremely well paid. Have a look at the payscales in the UK compared to Irish teachers, it’s quite a significant gap.

[EstebanSexface]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

What legitimises teachers striking?

Irish employment law. Do you think striking is illegal?

[EstebanSexface]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

Have a look at the payscales in the UK compared to Irish teachers, it’s quite a significant gap.

Have a look at the quality in education in the UK and Ireland, it’s quite a significant gap

So you want all teachers to be underpaid, miserable and useless?

[flattythehurdler]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

You can link anything.

You can’t.

[Malarkey]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

@Malarkey

You are implicitly arguing that children should be in school more than 40 weeks a year. Want to back up this claim?

You might apologise for this as of yet unsubstantiated claim.

You are durable, I will give you that.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

No.

What I am asking you is to put to some flesh on your viewpoint and substantiate rather than just land out some daft analogies.

The pro rata rate for a primary school teacher with a full time private sector job is €70k-105k.

They are extremely well paid, they have short working weeks, they have huge extended holidays, they have a big pension guaranteed, they have job security, they have guaranteed pay rises.

What does a minimum wage, zero hour contract worker have?

Who deserves more supports?

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@flattythehurdler

You can’t.

You can.

I can link Hitler with Paddington Bear because they wore a similar shade of brown.

[flattythehurdler]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

You don’t see an issue with teachers propensity to strike and forego their duties when they are extremely well paid. Have a look at the payscales in the UK compared to Irish teachers, it’s quite a significant gap.

That is the same for ever conceivable job bar finance, and finance only gets so well renumerated in the UK because of scale. It what I think may actually trip Ireland up in the very long run, but that’s a different argument.
Trouble is, higher pay scale but higher tax (I think), higher living costs. Nonetheless most everyone I know who moves from the UK to Ireland are taken aback by the levels of relative wealth.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@EstebanSexface

Irish employment law. Do you think striking is illegal?

I think it would lose most people their job.

[flattythehurdler]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

I can link Hitler with Paddington Bear because they wore a similar shade of brown

You can alright.

[EstebanSexface]

so no teacher can complain about anything because there are zero hour contract workers? Is that your logic, really?

[flattythehurdler]

@EstebanSexface

Have a look at the quality in education in the UK and Ireland, it’s quite a significant gap

This is a societal issue rather than a teaching one. My pal who I swim Galway bay with (who wins it every year we do it) is a maths teacher. In his school in inner city Manchester, they were granted special measures to remain open during lockdown to 400 vulnerable pupils. 3 turned up.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@EstebanSexface

so no teacher can complain about anything because there are zero hour contract workers? Is that your logic, really?

Pretty much.

Haves and have nots.

In terms or workers teachers are one of the best looked after haves and they selfishly keep looking for more and more and more. They do this by strong arming the government and neglecting their duties.

It’s that sense of entitlement that is wrong. You want the well heeled teachers look after, I differ as I see it as selfish.

I have more sympathy and support for low paid workers who have very poor employment right whereas you see them as a blight.

[EstebanSexface]

most societal issues stem from education - poor education or lack of education. If the parents were educated or had motivated teachers for example the cycle could be broken. It’s a loop. Much like this argument.

The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again. This lads mind is not for changing.

[EstebanSexface]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

I have more sympathy and support for low paid workers who have very poor employment right whereas you see them as a blight.

how can you expect to be taken seriously with shit like this?

You have sympathy for nobody

[flattythehurdler]

I don’t think you have any idea of how broken swathes of UK society are, honestly I don’t. It does seem to be slowly improving perhaps, due to the outstanding efforts of the teaching profession, but it’s hard to teach when you’re threatened with a knife.
You cannot teach kids who’s parents are in no way involved nor remotely care, even enough to send them.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@EstebanSexface

how can you expect to be taken seriously with shit like this?

You’ve refused to address the point.

This is where you have no credibility. You consistently defend the rights of well heeled parts of the haves in society and dismiss low paid workers.

It’s Thatcherite.

[EstebanSexface]

you just make up arguments and claim you’ve won. It’s mental.

Best of luck with it

You still haven’t answered my questions