Why are you upset? Is it your football?
It’s a discussion forum.
Just telling as I see it. It seems clear to me that you have a problem with ‘other’ groups in society. I don’t know which group worries you so much - black people? Muslims? “Foreigners”?
Maybe you just don’t like people that look and sound ‘different’ to you? Is that it?
He’s just deeply insecure and disaffected little maneen and getting more odd and bitter as he goes along.
Which point in particular are you angry about?
One of many things we do so badly when it comes to protecting our border. Unfairness is baked into our system
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You couldn’t be further from the truth. But in reality, it’s not all about you feeling better about yourself for being a chill and cool guy at a keyboard.
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Sorry lad I somehow missed this.
It’s complicated. The way it’s supposed to work is they go back to the airport they came from. But flight time tables won’t always allow that (that’s for all refusals, not just passport tearers).
They can be put back with no documentation, you just need to prove that they were on the flight. A manifest maybe or tracking them with CCTV but that’s savage time-consuming. Usually only happens when lads un-claim asylum (it’s happens more frequently than you’d imagine) or just completely stonewall the process.
In Ireland we barely talk about immigration. It’s easy to see why
Finty is agreeing that immigration is a huge issue that no one really talks about.
I’d no idea our numbers were so high relative to other countries.
1 “that’s assuming that the main gripe of some Irish people is the €42 Million a month being spent on refugees (fleeing from war/trying to better their lives/playing the system) which it isn’t.”: I agree that the issues around refugees are not exhausted by the question of finance. That point happily agreed, my experience of listening to colloquial conversations on the topic in various Kilkenny circles is that these conversations invariably centre on money and the Irish taxpayer’s burden. So the issues around financing refugees, and taking a rational and calm approach to same issues, remain highly important.
2 “When big numbers of men are being shipped into small rural places under the cover of night”: making your point in this fashion is rhetoric – and dangerous rhetoric. Wearing my literary critic hat, I can point to the interplay of “big” and “small”, the implication that “night” is the ally of these “men” for nefarious activities. Such rhetoric is a well established playbook for mere racists.
3 “there’s a longer term sociological problem which is not going to go away.”: what exactly is said problem? Is it a quantitative one?
4 “Annamoe for example”: I deal with this topic at length below.
5 “when then the incoming people outnumber the existing people who live there, people are naturally anxious. There’s no plan, there’s no communication. It’s very childish to think that there’s not going to be problems for all coming.”: “outnumber” is a leading term, as I outline below. Could you give us the fashion in which ‘anxiety’ should shape policy? Which or whether, what “plan” do you propose, for Annamoe and elsewhere?
Here is a report on the Annamoe issue (from a source hardly renowned for any kind of ‘wokeness’):
I will highlight, from this report, certain salient passages for your perspective:
a a contract signed to use the venue for 32 weeks.
b these are expected to be mainly women and children.
c Residents will stay at the accommodation for several weeks, with support services provided at the site to assist them in adjusting to life in Ireland and to aid better integration and independence. These will include regular transportation to Wicklow town and Bray, medical and welfare services, food, cleaners and 24hr security cover.
d It has been stated that the site will be appropriately secured and managed at all times by security. Each resident will be issued with a lanyard displaying photo ID, which they will be required to show on entry and exit. Standard procedures, including a visitors log, will apply for guests visiting the site.
e It has also been stressed that due to the accommodation being designed for short-term stays, any children living there will not need to avail of local school places.
These facets, if delivered in the fashion outlined, seem to me a coherent way of dealing with the situation. I note in particular the proposed preponderance of “women and children”, the availability of “regular transportation” for services in places other than Annamoe, the clear emphasis on site security, and the absence of pressure on “local school places”. As of now, I have no rational reason to doubt those assertions.
But these facets are not really your concern, are they? Your concern is at once opaque and clearcut. Opaque, in the sense that any psychosexual fixation is not ultimately amenable to explication. Clearcut, in the sense that you appear to have, going by many posts made here, a fixation about the sexual threat posed by non Irish males to Irish females. Since you are so concerned with these issues, you must have given these issues, I can only presume, a great deal of thought – must have, unless you are in the complete grip of irrationality and prejudice. I further presume that such careful thought will allow you to give us the relevant quantitative analysis. You wrote recently in another TFK post, doom mongering, of the “chaos” that is coming in Ireland in the near future due to the presence of immigrants and refugees. Give us, therefore, a quantitative breakdown of the lineaments of this anticipated chaos. How many (sexual) assaults/rapes/murders a year by immigrants and refugees would be required to constitute ‘chaos’? I am a rationalist and I believe in societal analysis, especially when faced with histrionic irrationalism, in quantitative terms.
I have answered the questions you posed to me. I did not need to do so but I did. By the same token, I will pose you some relevant questions:
1 I note that you silently accepted the irrefutability of my point about Jozef Puska. He was in Ireland because Ireland is in the EU and the according measure of ‘free movement’ therefore applied to that evil individual. Question: do you think Ireland should leave the EU, so as to render non Irish people’s presence in Ireland more difficult to achieve?
2 If so, what would be the implications, the pros and the cons, of leaving the EU so as to attempt a more homogenous Irish society?
3 Do you believe a society based on people of a white Christian background is superior to a society based on people of a non white non Christian background? If so, why?
4 Or is the crux more that you do not believe in the mingling of white Christians and non white non Christians? If so, why?
5 Do you believe males from a non white non Christian background are more likely to commit crimes of sexual violence? If so, why?
6 Are you comfortable with being in the same category, politically, as Justin Barrett, Derek Blighe, Gemma O’Doherty, John Waters et al?
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Was listening to a podcast earlier where it focused on Irish immigration to the UK in the 1930s.
They read back a few speeches from groups at the time that claimed the Irish were:
- infiltrating the UK
- arriving in their millions
- were only arriving because of the better benefits
- they were defrauding the social welfare system
- they sending all the money back to Ireland
- numbers should be capped
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Imagine that. Be interesting to hear what TFK’s resident wheezing Philly Dwyers, John McGuirks and David Quinns have to make of that
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There was a Doc on One a couple of weeks ago about the rise of the far right in Ireland
I found it interesting possibly because (in true TFK fashion) the narrative roughly equated to my own viewpoint. I listened to it this morning
It’s called ‘fear and mistrust’
There’s never been an episode of Doc on One that received so much commentary on social media. Primarily from the far right headbangers it’s probably about (haven’t listened to it yet myself)
We were discussing this in another thread but do any of my fellow lefties think this is strange? Just reading the Irish times it seems they have selectively edited his quotes and left out the most controversial one.
https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/1725579327138390279?t=Drs0-8CWS1etSDl15-wMGw&s=19
Indo published it in full
Looking through other outlets, a lot seem to take quotes ftom her family too and selected a bit from each
They read it out in full on the news at one on the radio.
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So RTE and the Irish Independent covered it; that’s two of maybe the 5 major media outlets (Newstalk, Irish Times and Irish Examiner being the other).
We should have a seven aside football game of the far right v the far left posters on here for charity.
The lads you are calling “far right” are Irish patriots, those blue haired 20 stone fannies on the left are a disgrace to humanity