No.
I donât think the state has any business building houses. They should make it as easy as possible for others to build them and penalise those hoarding land but thatâs it. Incentives fuck up the supply and demand balance. The houses will be built, they already are being built itâs just a slow process
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Thatâs all fine and dandy but not many can afford houses as things stand and that is at record low interest rates . Even if we start building houses at rates that match demographics a house will still be bloody too dear for a great many.
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Was just about to say⌠Wages havenât matched inflation⌠Rents and house prices are soaring trapping people.
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Even if we leave out the price of land ( cost varies ) the cost of building a 3 bad semi in say Raheen is too dear for the average family income .
Them foreigners are buying up land and property all over the country manipulating prices⌠Paddy is a tenant in his own country. Luke Kelly was rightâŚfor what suffer our patriotsâŚ
Our patriots were well able to amass property portfolios the world over .
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So throw Irelandâs working class to the capitalists?
Leave it to the likes of Johnny Ronan & Denny o Brine.
That cunt Brimmer is cleaning house. The cunt.
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That is a problem ok . The big local authority schemes in the 1970s failed . The absolute belief in the market in the last 20 years failed
No one has come up with a solution . I think we are now seeing the firest real sign of western decline . Housing shortage is now a massive problem in the western world .
Yeah you did. Or might have. I donât know.
Housing, like water schemes, policing, waste services, education, health etc should be a given, not free not substandard but available and affordable, unfortunately though the capitalists and landed have too much to lose if government policy changes.
A dwelling house is a strange concept in one way. In the 70s someone would have built a house for ÂŁ30,000, spent their life paying for it,someone else buys it in the 00s and then spends their lives paying for it and so on, the builders were long paid, the suppliers were long paid.
The banks however continue to make money from it for maybe 80, 90, 100 years, strange that itâs rigged to benefit the capitalists in the long term but thatâs the western way I suppose.
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House are built using scarce ( and becoming scarcer resources ). . This cost of building a house is getting dearer and that is leaving land costs out of the equation and considering reduced Labour costs .
I think the old arguments of state and private may be a little redundant here and new thinking could be needed in public discourse .
To be fair people are expecting a loan for 20 years or so to pay approx 5 times their gross annual salary . That might not be sustainable going forward .
Not so sure about the scarce resources imput, increased efficiency and machinery ie timber frame, automation etc would surely balance other cost out.
Either way social housing is entirely at odds with capitalism so FG wonât even consider social housing.
Why? Weâre seeing in a ball of western countries that housing markets have gone bananas since the state stopped building houses.
Social housing isnt a panacea for all problems . Big planned estates have failed utterly.
My point is that debate and policy isnât reflective of new realities and western decline .
Most States canât afford to build houses in the last decade . They canât afford to cover day to day expenditure . Huge social housing projects have failed society and the market solution has failed .
Huge social housing projects failed meaning ghettos? Thatâs a separate issue.
You cannot on the one hand demand more money and on the other fail to analyise one of the largest receipients and net influences on public services.
Yes . It has worked well in rural areas but in big cities ( yours and where I was born) a disaster.
Letâs be honest the idea that delelopers provide a % of housing to social housing is utterly laughable .
The social and market ideas have failed utterly . I want a solution thought through by rational people without a agenda .
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