The Killing of Jean McConville - Justified or Not?

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I don’t think it was a stunt. Questions were raised. Adams was then questioned. He chose timing of when he attended the station. Politicians cannot direct police operational matters nor be seen to try and influence them.

The failure to agree an amnesty has caused this but alongside that is Sinn Fein not letting British atrocities go either.

Sinn Fein are normally very clever in their communication strategy. Something caught them off guard.

Adams was only being questioned. I suspect there are divisions within Sinn Fein about this and this has highlighted them. It may be to do with Adams being forced into a St Peter role in having to deny/ distance himself from certain elements of old school Republicans and in turn new Sinn Fein will have to distance itself from Adams.

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[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 940999, member: 2272”]I don’t think it was a stunt. Questions were raised. Adams was then questioned. He chose timing of when he attended the station. Politicians cannot direct police operational matters nor be seen to try and influence them.

The failure to agree an amnesty has caused this but alongside that is Sinn Fein not letting British atrocities go either.

Sinn Fein are normally very clever in their communication strategy. Something caught them off guard.

Adams was only being questioned. I suspect there are divisions within Sinn Fein about this and this has highlighted them. It may be to do with Adams being forced into a St Peter role in having to deny/ distance himself from certain elements of old school Republicans and in turn new Sinn Fein will have to distance itself from Adams.[/QUOTE]

He didn’t choose the timing. He was asked to attend at the specified time. Have you been following the case at all?

Adams was arrested and held for 4 nights. I think you’re making a bit light of that saying he was only questioned.

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Bandage, you obviously have no problem with the abduction in front of her children, kangaroo court, torture and then shooting of a middle aged lady , and then her burial in a bog, and then the ongoing lying and misinformation to her family. Even Gerry Adams says it was absolutely wrong. Some hero you are.

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All your posts on this topic have been very naive and awfully dumb. No offence, mate.

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That is your view. It doesn’t mean they are naive in the slightest. Whatever jean mcconville may or may not have been perceived by psychos like dolores price to have done, she did not deserve that.

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You have no problem with it then?

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It’s a grey area. It appears that nobody except yourself, @artfoley[/USER] and [USER=1061]@twiceasnice97 knows the full facts of the case.

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[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 940999, member: 2272”]I don’t think it was a stunt. Questions were raised. Adams was then questioned. He chose timing of when he attended the station. Politicians cannot direct police operational matters nor be seen to try and influence them.

The failure to agree an amnesty has caused this but alongside that is Sinn Fein not letting British atrocities go either.

Sinn Fein are normally very clever in their communication strategy. Something caught them off guard.

Adams was only being questioned. I suspect there are divisions within Sinn Fein about this and this has highlighted them. It may be to do with Adams being forced into a St Peter role in having to deny/ distance himself from certain elements of old school Republicans and in turn new Sinn Fein will have to distance itself from Adams.[/QUOTE]

Really?

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My account is plausible and likely but not definitive. i understand that the awe you hold me in since i crushed you like a bug so frequently has led you to this misguided statement but i am happy to correct your misapprehension

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Up The RA

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Be careful pal … @Bandage goes to Celtic matches with lads from Belfast who know what went down…some of them even have patriotic tattoos … as commander of the IFSC branch of the IRA he knows people… a staunch republican who spent his life resisting the crown’s forces on the frontline in wexford town…thresd carefully…

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The facts that we know are that a middle aged lady was abducted in front of her children, driven across the border, tortured, adjudicated upon by a lynch mob, and had her brains blown out by her torturers before being left to rot in an unmarked grave. Her children were then further stigmatised deliberately by rumour being spread that she had run off with a British soldier.
What she may or may not have done is in dispute. It is in my opinion irrelevant. Her treatment was abhorrent. Anyone who thinks this is some sort of grey area, citing justification that she may or may not have been " an informer" ( whatever that is, or was at the time) has something wrong with them in my opinion. There is little point in my saying anything else on the matter. If you find this naive and dumb so be it. I am more than slightly taken aback to be honest.

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[QUOTE=“flattythehurdler, post: 941237, member: 1170”]The facts that we know are that a middle aged lady was abducted in front of her children, driven across the border, tortured, adjudicated upon by a lynch mob, and had her brains blown out by her torturers before being left to rot in an unmarked grave. Her children were then further stigmatised deliberately by rumour being spread that she had run off with a British soldier.
What she may or may not have done is in dispute. It is in my opinion irrelevant. Her treatment was abhorrent. Anyone who thinks this is some sort of grey area, citing justification that she may or may not have been " an informer" ( whatever that is, or was at the time) has something wrong with them in my opinion. There is little point in my saying anything else on the matter. If you find this naive and dumb so be it. I am more than slightly taken aback to be honest.[/QUOTE]

And the Dublin and Monaghan bombs were wrong, Loughinisland was wrong, Mountbatton was wrong, the torture in Castlereagh, internment, Omagh, Enniskillen, Ronan Kerr. All wrong but all happened because the brits carved up the country and left a bigoted sectarian majority in the six counties who through gerrymandering ruled through a Protestant parliament for a Protestant people.

If the men of 1916 hadn’t rebelled and the brave men who fought in the war of independence had decided not to do what they did cos it was ‘wrong’, we’d all be still under the butchers apron.

Fact is the six county nationalists were under siege and fought back. Jack Lynch sent fucking tents to Monaghan when people were being burned out of their houses in Belfast.

The brit army went in when the Irish lads in the fca frolicked in Monaghan. After that they became the enforcers even after the loyalist shot dead the first ruc man to be killed in the troubles.

It was a war zone, you do what you do. She was a tout and she was killed, buried away cos of the publicity it might cause, stupid perhaps but that was war…Christ weren’t the leaders of 1916 also shot and buried away in quick lime. That was wrong too.

Only reunification will sort this island out and let us build a new future. The idea of reunification will never go away, why? like all of the above having a border on this island is wrong, actually the biggest wrong of all.

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[QUOTE=“Ebeneezer Goode, post: 941246, member: 1785”]And the Dublin and Monaghan bombs were wrong, Loughinisland was wrong, Mountbatton was wrong, the torture in Castlereagh, internment, Omagh, Enniskillen, Ronan Kerr. All wrong but all happened because the brits carved up the country and left a bigoted sectarian majority in the six counties who through gerrymandering ruled through a Protestant parliament for a Protestant people.

If the men of 1916 hadn’t rebelled and the brave men who fought in the war of independence had decided not to do what they did cos it was ‘wrong’, we’d all be still under the butchers apron.

Fact is the six county nationalists were under siege and fought back. Jack Lynch sent fucking tents to Monaghan when people were being burned out of their houses in Belfast.

The brit army went in when the Irish lads in the fca frolicked in Monaghan. After that they became the enforcers even after the loyalist shot dead the first ruc man to be killed in the troubles.

It was a war zone, you do what you do. She was a tout and she was killed, buried away cos of the publicity it might cause, stupid perhaps but that was war…Christ weren’t the leaders of 1916 also shot and buried away in quick lime. That was wrong too.

Only reunification will sort this island out and let us build a new future. The idea of reunification will never go away, why? like all of the above having a border on this island is wrong, actually the biggest wrong of all.[/QUOTE]

Protestants were sort of right though in that Home Rule meant Rome Rule and led to institutional abuse of children on an almost industrial scale by the Catholic Church and the shame of Magdalene Laundries.

It also led to mass emigration from Ireland on unprecedented levels.

Better to be the driver of your own car crash though.

We sort of managed to turn it around in the end by joining the EU and handing over large parts of our sovereignty willingly.

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[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 941247, member: 2272”]Protestants were sort of right though in that Home Rule meant Rome Rule and led to institutional abuse of children on an almost industrial scale by the Catholic Church and the shame of Magdalene Laundries.

It also led to mass emigration from Ireland on unprecedented levels.

Better to be the driver of your own car crash though.

We sort of managed to turn it around in the end by joining the EU and handing over large parts of our sovereignty willingly.[/QUOTE]

Well maybe if we had an island with shared power the CC woudn’t have been left ride everyone. We need the protestant work ethic to keep us in check.

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Maybe. a lot of the blame can be laid at De Valera’s door and his involving the Catholic Church in drafting the 1937 Constitution.

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FFS, he, and the rest of them, stood outside the church door for the funeral of the first president of the country becuase the priests wouldn’t let them enter a protestant church…Utter cunts.

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I asked an elderly relation why nobody stood up and he said they only way he could describe it (ironically) was the taboo around paedophilia nowadays as an analogy.

He said it was just completely taboo and if you were seen to go against the Church you ran the risk of becoming a pariah/having state apparatus used against you in terms of access to jobs/education/entitlements. That was an ordinary citizen but De Valera created that culture and those conditions. It was almost a quasi totalitarian regime which most people probably regarded as benign albeit with some concerns as to what was going on.

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[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 941247, member: 2272”]Protestants were sort of right though in that Home Rule meant Rome Rule and led to institutional abuse of children on an almost industrial scale by the Catholic Church and the shame of Magdalene Laundries.

It also led to mass emigration from Ireland on unprecedented levels.

Better to be the driver of your own car crash though.

We sort of managed to turn it around in the end by joining the EU and handing over large parts of our sovereignty willingly.[/QUOTE]
You are some fucking idiot. It would have been better to have been governed by overlords who oversaw a famine in a food rich nation I suppose?

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[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 941261, member: 2272”]I asked an elderly relation why nobody stood up and he said they only way he could describe it (ironically) was the taboo around paedophilia nowadays as an analogy.

He said it was just completely taboo and if you were seen to go against the Church you ran the risk of becoming a pariah/having state apparatus used against you in terms of access to jobs/education/entitlements. That was an ordinary citizen but De Valera created that culture and those conditions. It was almost a quasi totalitarian regime which most people probably regarded as benign albeit with some concerns as to what was going on.[/QUOTE]
If it was a quasi totalitarian state how come De Valera was voted out of office. And tell me this did De Valera introduce a culture of deference to the church or did that already exist?