Black and TAN
:rolleyes:
you wouldnt gut a creme egg peter.
[QUOTE=âMark Renton, post: 941609, member: 1796â]I donât think anyone here is defending everything the IRA did- You coudnât, but some of us understand the conditions that gave rise to the atrocities that were carried out- The others have no interest in understanding it as it doesnât sit with their outlook on life- Conservative, servile and colonized. Iâve siad it before- One of the greatest psychological factors to happen a colonized people once they gain independence is to emulate the culture and mindset of their past masters- Stockholm syndrome on a grand scale- This country is awash with it. The middle class castle cathoilc power grab after the Brits had gone has meant that nothing really changed in this country⊠These servile bastards went on to fill the civil service, media and governemnt - Thatâs whay we have no tradition of protest in this country. No back bone. We are led, informed and served by servile bastards. Just because a few lads like Tan enjoy a bit of GAA doesnât make you a true blue Gael (Christ I hate when GAA fans use that expression) TUM, Art Foley too- Youâre self loathing is probably a product of your ancestors taking soup and wanting to eat the scraps off the table from the big house.
@farmerinthecity - Iâve read a few books on My Lai, disturbing to say the least but a great insight into the horrors of war and what humans are truely capable off given a certain circumstances. The mind can go to a very dark place---- but of course, thereâs only right and wrong in the world at the end of the day.[/QUOTE]
utter bollix mark.
the conditions in the north produced the violence. their own fcuked up personalities gave people like lenny murphy and the crew who brutalised jean mcconville the opportunity to indulge their own desires.
it also produced shitloads of utter clowns who believed that going to celtic matchs and chanting ohh ahh up the raa going down grafton street, after failing to get into the knickers of some chubby nurse from roscommon in coppers, made them republicans
From the reports I heard from the weekend, youâd be as well dealing with your own gut first.
Gerry Adams has a column in the Guardian today:
The Jean McConville killing: Iâm completely innocent. But what were my accusersâ motives?
My recent detention and [U]interrogation[/U] was a serious attempt to bring charges against me. It was conducted by the retrospective major investigation team (Remit) of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, which is based at Carrickfergus, County Antrim.
I had contacted the PSNI in March to tell them I was available to meet them. This followed another intense round of the media speculation that has tried to link me to the [U]killing in 1972 of Jean McConville[/U]. It is part of a sustained malicious, untruthful and sinister campaign going back many years.
Last Monday the PSNI said it wanted to speak to me. I was concerned about the timing. Sinn FĂ©in is currently involved in very important EU and local government elections. Notwithstanding this, I travelled to the Antrim serious crime suite where I arrived at 8.05pm.
En route I talked to the senior investigating officer. He was insisting that I meet him in the car park opposite the PSNI barracks. He told me that I must get into a squad car and that he would then arrest me and drive me into the barracks. He said he couldnât arrest me inside the barracks under the legislation.
I told him I was going directly to the station of my own accord, voluntarily. As it turned out there is no legislative bar on me being arrested within the station. And subsequently thatâs exactly what happened.
My solicitor was present. I was escorted by two detectives from Remit to the serious crime suite. A custody sergeant took me through all of the processes and protocols. My belt, tie, comb, watch, [U]FĂĄinne[/U][/URL] and [URL=âhttp://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/apr/11/uk.northernirelandâ][U]Easter Lily[/U] pins were removed. My solicitor made representations that I be allowed to keep my pen and notebook given that the offence that I was accused of occurred 42 years ago. After some toing and froing, I was eventually granted this request by the custody superintendent.
Shortly before the first of 33 taped interviews, I was served with a pre-interview brief. This accused me of IRA membership and conspiracy in the murder of Jean McConville. It also claimed that the PSNI had new evidential material to put to me. The interview commenced at 10.55pm. Two interrogators â a man and a woman â conducted all the interrogations. All of this was recorded and videotaped. My private consultations with my solicitor may also have been covertly recorded.
I was told that the interrogations were an evidence-gathering process, and that the police would be making the case that I was a member of the IRA; that I had a senior IRA managerial role in Belfast at the time of Jean McConvilleâs abduction; and that I was therefore bound to know about her killing. I challenged my interrogators to produce the new evidential material. They said that this would happen at a later interview but they wanted to take me through my childhood, family history and so on. Over the following four days it became clear that the objective of the interviews was to get to the point where they could charge me with IRA membership and thereby link me to the McConville case. The membership charge was clearly their principal goal. The interrogators made no secret of this. At one point the male detective described their plan as âa stage-managed approachâ. It later transpired that it was a phased strategy, with nine different phases.
The first phases dealt with my family history of republican activism. My own early involvement in Sinn FĂ©in as a teenager â when it was a banned organisation. My time in the 1960s in the civil rights movement and various housing action groups in west Belfast, the pogroms of 1969 and the start of the Troubles.
It was asserted that I was guilty of IRA membership through association because of my family background â my friends. They referred to countless pieces of âopen sourceâ material that, they said, linked me to the IRA. These were anonymous newspaper articles from 1971 and 1972, photographs of Martin McGuinness and me at republican funerals, and books about the period.
If any of these claimed I was in the IRA, then that was, according to my interrogators, evidence. They consistently cast up my habit of referring to friends as âcomradesâ. This, they said, was evidence of IRA membership. They claimed I was turned by special branch during interrogations in Belfastâs Palace Barracks in 1972 and that I became an MI5 agent! They also spoke about the peace talks in 1972, and my periods of internment and imprisonment in [U]Long Kesh[/U]. This was presented as âbad-character evidenceâ.
Much of the interrogations concerned Boston Collegeâs so-called Belfast Project conceived by [U]Paul Bew[/U][/URL] â a university lecturer and a former adviser to the former unionist leader David Trimble â and run by [URL=âhttp://thebrokenelbow.com/about-ed-moloney/â][U]Ed Moloney[/U][/URL] and [URL=âhttp://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/03/gerry-adams-ira-anthony-mcintyre-hate-campaignâ][U]Anthony McIntyre[/U].
Both Moloney and McIntyre are opponents of the Sinn FĂ©in leadership and our strategy, and have interviewed former republicans who are also hostile. These former republicans have accused us of betrayal and have said we should be shot because of our support for the [U]Good Friday agreement[/U] and policing.
The allegation of conspiracy in the killing of Mrs McConville is based almost exclusively on hearsay from unnamed alleged Boston College interviewees but mainly from the late [U]Dolours Price[/U][/URL] and [URL=âhttp://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/01/brendan-hughes-ira-gerry-adams-sinn-fein-jean-mcconvilleâ][U]Brendan Hughes[/U][/URL]. Other alleged interviewees were identified only by a letter of the alphabet, eg interviewee R or Y. It has been claimed by prosecutors in court that one of these is [URL=âhttp://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/21/former-ira-leader-ivor-bell-charged-connection-mcconville-murderâ][U]Ivor Bell[/U], although the interrogators told me he has denied the allegations.
I rejected all allegations made about me in the Boston tapes, which have now been totally discredited. Historians from the college have made it clear that this ânever was a Boston College History Department projectâ. A spokesman for the college has confirmed that it would be prepared to [U]hand back interviews to those involved[/U].
I am innocent of any involvement in the abduction, killing or burial of Mrs McConville, or of IRA membership. I have never disassociated myself from the IRA and I never will, but I am not uncritical of IRA actions and particularly the terrible injustice inflicted on Mrs McConville and her family. I very much regret what happened to them and their mother and understand the antipathy they feel towards republicans.
This case raises in a stark way the need for the legacy issues of the past to be addressed in a victim-centred way. Sinn FĂ©in is committed to dealing with the past, including the issue of victims and their families. We have put forward our own proposals for an [U]independent international truth recovery process[/U][/URL], which both governments have rejected. We have also signed up for the compromise [URL=âhttp://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/31/northern-ireland-draft-proposals-publishedâ][U]proposals presented by US envoys Richard Haass and Meghan OâSullivan[/U]. The two unionist parties and the British government have not.
Sinn FĂ©in is for policing. There is no doubt about this. Civic, accountable, public service policing. It has not been achieved yet.
During my interrogation, no new evidential material, indeed no evidence of any kind, was produced. When I was being released I made a formal complaint about aspects of my interrogation. My arrest and the very serious attempt to charge me with IRA membership is damaging to the peace process and the political institutions.
There is only one way for our society to go, and that is forward. I am a united Irelander. I want to live in a citizen-centred, rights-based society. There is now a peaceful and democratic way to achieve this. The two governments are guarantors of the Good Friday agreement. They have failed in this responsibility. The future belongs to everyone. So, as well as the British and Irish governments, civic society, church leaders, trade unions, the media, academia and private citizens must find a way to provide positive leadership.
The Good Friday agreement is the peopleâs agreement. It does not belong to the elites. It must be defended, implemented and promoted.
Yes, deal with the past. Yes, deal with victims. But the focus needs to be on the future. There will be bumps on that road. There will be diversions. There are powerful vested interests who have not bought into the peace process. Obstacles will be erected, but we must build the peace and see off sinister forces against equality and justice for everyone.
:rolleyes:
Course you would, north county chicken is probably a better name. From what i hear that while TDB is a shiteater youve shit your pants anytime anyone says boo to you
Course you would, north county chicken is probably a better name. From what i hear that while TDB is a shiteater youve shit your pants anytime anyone says boo to you[/QUOTE]
Are you 4?
[QUOTE=âRocko, post: 941968, member: 1â]Gerry Adams has a column in the Guardian today:
The Jean McConville killing: Iâm completely innocent. But what were my accusersâ motives?
My recent detention and [U]interrogation[/U] was a serious attempt to bring charges against me. It was conducted by the retrospective major investigation team (Remit) of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, which is based at Carrickfergus, County Antrim.
I had contacted the PSNI in March to tell them I was available to meet them. This followed another intense round of the media speculation that has tried to link me to the [U]killing in 1972 of Jean McConville[/U]. It is part of a sustained malicious, untruthful and sinister campaign going back many years.
Last Monday the PSNI said it wanted to speak to me. I was concerned about the timing. Sinn FĂ©in is currently involved in very important EU and local government elections. Notwithstanding this, I travelled to the Antrim serious crime suite where I arrived at 8.05pm.
En route I talked to the senior investigating officer. He was insisting that I meet him in the car park opposite the PSNI barracks. He told me that I must get into a squad car and that he would then arrest me and drive me into the barracks. He said he couldnât arrest me inside the barracks under the legislation.
I told him I was going directly to the station of my own accord, voluntarily. As it turned out there is no legislative bar on me being arrested within the station. And subsequently thatâs exactly what happened.
My solicitor was present. I was escorted by two detectives from Remit to the serious crime suite. A custody sergeant took me through all of the processes and protocols. My belt, tie, comb, watch, [U]FĂĄinne[/U][/URL] and [URL=âhttp://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/apr/11/uk.northernirelandâ][U]Easter Lily[/U] pins were removed. My solicitor made representations that I be allowed to keep my pen and notebook given that the offence that I was accused of occurred 42 years ago. After some toing and froing, I was eventually granted this request by the custody superintendent.
Shortly before the first of 33 taped interviews, I was served with a pre-interview brief. This accused me of IRA membership and conspiracy in the murder of Jean McConville. It also claimed that the PSNI had new evidential material to put to me. The interview commenced at 10.55pm. Two interrogators â a man and a woman â conducted all the interrogations. All of this was recorded and videotaped. My private consultations with my solicitor may also have been covertly recorded.
I was told that the interrogations were an evidence-gathering process, and that the police would be making the case that I was a member of the IRA; that I had a senior IRA managerial role in Belfast at the time of Jean McConvilleâs abduction; and that I was therefore bound to know about her killing. I challenged my interrogators to produce the new evidential material. They said that this would happen at a later interview but they wanted to take me through my childhood, family history and so on. Over the following four days it became clear that the objective of the interviews was to get to the point where they could charge me with IRA membership and thereby link me to the McConville case. The membership charge was clearly their principal goal. The interrogators made no secret of this. At one point the male detective described their plan as âa stage-managed approachâ. It later transpired that it was a phased strategy, with nine different phases.
The first phases dealt with my family history of republican activism. My own early involvement in Sinn FĂ©in as a teenager â when it was a banned organisation. My time in the 1960s in the civil rights movement and various housing action groups in west Belfast, the pogroms of 1969 and the start of the Troubles.
It was asserted that I was guilty of IRA membership through association because of my family background â my friends. They referred to countless pieces of âopen sourceâ material that, they said, linked me to the IRA. These were anonymous newspaper articles from 1971 and 1972, photographs of Martin McGuinness and me at republican funerals, and books about the period.
If any of these claimed I was in the IRA, then that was, according to my interrogators, evidence. They consistently cast up my habit of referring to friends as âcomradesâ. This, they said, was evidence of IRA membership. They claimed I was turned by special branch during interrogations in Belfastâs Palace Barracks in 1972 and that I became an MI5 agent! They also spoke about the peace talks in 1972, and my periods of internment and imprisonment in [U]Long Kesh[/U]. This was presented as âbad-character evidenceâ.
Much of the interrogations concerned Boston Collegeâs so-called Belfast Project conceived by [U]Paul Bew[/U][/URL] â a university lecturer and a former adviser to the former unionist leader David Trimble â and run by [URL=âhttp://thebrokenelbow.com/about-ed-moloney/â][U]Ed Moloney[/U][/URL] and [URL=âhttp://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/03/gerry-adams-ira-anthony-mcintyre-hate-campaignâ][U]Anthony McIntyre[/U].
Both Moloney and McIntyre are opponents of the Sinn FĂ©in leadership and our strategy, and have interviewed former republicans who are also hostile. These former republicans have accused us of betrayal and have said we should be shot because of our support for the [U]Good Friday agreement[/U] and policing.
The allegation of conspiracy in the killing of Mrs McConville is based almost exclusively on hearsay from unnamed alleged Boston College interviewees but mainly from the late [U]Dolours Price[/U][/URL] and [URL=âhttp://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/01/brendan-hughes-ira-gerry-adams-sinn-fein-jean-mcconvilleâ][U]Brendan Hughes[/U][/URL]. Other alleged interviewees were identified only by a letter of the alphabet, eg interviewee R or Y. It has been claimed by prosecutors in court that one of these is [URL=âhttp://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/21/former-ira-leader-ivor-bell-charged-connection-mcconville-murderâ][U]Ivor Bell[/U], although the interrogators told me he has denied the allegations.
I rejected all allegations made about me in the Boston tapes, which have now been totally discredited. Historians from the college have made it clear that this ânever was a Boston College History Department projectâ. A spokesman for the college has confirmed that it would be prepared to [U]hand back interviews to those involved[/U].
I am innocent of any involvement in the abduction, killing or burial of Mrs McConville, or of IRA membership. I have never disassociated myself from the IRA and I never will, but I am not uncritical of IRA actions and particularly the terrible injustice inflicted on Mrs McConville and her family. I very much regret what happened to them and their mother and understand the antipathy they feel towards republicans.
This case raises in a stark way the need for the legacy issues of the past to be addressed in a victim-centred way. Sinn FĂ©in is committed to dealing with the past, including the issue of victims and their families. We have put forward our own proposals for an [U]independent international truth recovery process[/U][/URL], which both governments have rejected. We have also signed up for the compromise [URL=âhttp://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/31/northern-ireland-draft-proposals-publishedâ][U]proposals presented by US envoys Richard Haass and Meghan OâSullivan[/U]. The two unionist parties and the British government have not.
Sinn FĂ©in is for policing. There is no doubt about this. Civic, accountable, public service policing. It has not been achieved yet.
During my interrogation, no new evidential material, indeed no evidence of any kind, was produced. When I was being released I made a formal complaint about aspects of my interrogation. My arrest and the very serious attempt to charge me with IRA membership is damaging to the peace process and the political institutions.
There is only one way for our society to go, and that is forward. I am a united Irelander. I want to live in a citizen-centred, rights-based society. There is now a peaceful and democratic way to achieve this. The two governments are guarantors of the Good Friday agreement. They have failed in this responsibility. The future belongs to everyone. So, as well as the British and Irish governments, civic society, church leaders, trade unions, the media, academia and private citizens must find a way to provide positive leadership.
The Good Friday agreement is the peopleâs agreement. It does not belong to the elites. It must be defended, implemented and promoted.
Yes, deal with the past. Yes, deal with victims. But the focus needs to be on the future. There will be bumps on that road. There will be diversions. There are powerful vested interests who have not bought into the peace process. Obstacles will be erected, but we must build the peace and see off sinister forces against equality and justice for everyone.[/QUOTE]
The greatest Irish man of all time 
Great article.
On a side note, outrageous to take a mans comb. Beyond the pale.
Whats it to you cuntface?
I thought you and the other cowardly fucker were coming over to dun laoghaire to give me a kicking
Gerry has rattled the fuck out of Art here.
Stage 4
Bad week for Fart Holey with Gerry Adams yet again displaying he is the finest politician and statesman on this island, and his beloved blue-shirts are in disarray.
[QUOTE=âtwiceasnice97, post: 941944, member: 1061â]utter bollix mark.
the conditions in the north produced the violence. their own fcuked up personalities gave people like lenny murphy and the crew who brutalised jean mcconville the opportunity to indulge their own desires.
it also produced shitloads of utter clowns who believed that going to celtic matchs and chanting ohh ahh up the raa going down grafton street, after failing to get into the knickers of some chubby nurse from roscommon in coppers, made them republicans[/QUOTE]
Comparing the actions of Lenny Murphy who is suspected to have been individually involved in the horrific and sadistic killing of at least 19 people, many for no other reason than their religion with the killing of a suspected informer is a ridiculous comparison.
Also, what is the big problem with the lads in the Celtic jerseys? Who really gives a shit in the overall scheme of things - it is minor. Also it is a sweeping generalisation to say that they are fake republicans. How do you know what all their backgrounds are? It was only a while back you were on here giving out about me making a sweeping generalisation that everything the IRA did was ok (which I didnât do).
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 942042, member: 24â]Comparing the actions of Lenny Murphy who is suspected to have been individually involved in the horrific and sadistic killing of at least 19 people, many for no other reason than their religion with the killing of a suspected informer is a ridiculous comparison.
Also, what is the big problem with the lads in the Celtic jerseys? Who really gives a shit in the overall scheme of things - it is minor. Also it is a sweeping generalisation to say that they are fake republicans. How do you know what all their backgrounds are? It was only a while back you were on here giving out about me making a sweeping generalisation that everything the IRA did was ok (which I didnât do).[/QUOTE]
TAN will absolutely guarantee you that all Celtic followers are fake republicans
Heâd be 100% correct
Thats a photoshop.
The sign actually said restore rule 42 which prohibits the playing of foreign sports in Gaa stadiums.
His view of no soccer in GAA stadiums wouldnât contradict his wearing of a Celtic jersey.