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Botulism is natural too pal
Home birth? Get fucked.
Was there a soundtrack to this lunacy?
What?
I was born at home. Never did me any harm.
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Thatâs debatable.
@fran, that wasnât aimed at you. Itâs your choice. It was a general observation that by and large itâs grand, just if something goes wrong. Apologies, itâs not my place to have a pop at you for your own decision, and it came across as a pop.
We had one (plus one) normal birth, and one section. Each have their benefits and drawbacks (so to speak).
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Great to see your humanity shine through
Mount Carmel was a private maternity hospital in Dublin. Closed during recession but was choice place for SoCoDu mummies to have babies. However if any major medical issue presented then women would be ambulanced to Holles st. People were paying for a nice room/ambience but for less expert medical care to hand
Slight tangent but people can be self serving in how they see risk. Last year there was a flurry of activity from concerned mothers as a registered sex offender was reported to have moved to the area. Same concerned mothers are main culprits for parking in prohibited zones outside school and a kid is a lot more likely to be knocked down than fall victim to a strange sex offender
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Bitches be crazy
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Are you still looking for the numbers on home birth deaths?
Or are you just going to ignore it?
how many home births are transferred to hospital - not about just deaths
Most births go fine but there is a chance of something going wrong and if it goes wrong being a minute from an operating theatre is preferential
For a man who espouses experts in sport and s and c it is surprising you donât see benefit of consultants etc in a situation where if something goes wrong the results are catastrophic
I wouldnât be comfortable with the home birth myself but a friend of mine is a consultant and his missus had a home birth in some form of a swimming pool 
So doubt it is deemed massively more risky. Id imagine most women donât do it for first
People equate natural with safe.
Through the ages, every family lost women and children in child birth.
Second marriages were very common because of it.
Now we have outstanding maternity hospitals, very low infant and maternal mortality, and people feel better having the child at home, rejecting such progress.
Having a baby, until relatively recently, has always been a natural, dangerous business.
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Youâs want your head examined to go for a home birth nowadays.
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Its not, thats the thing, and i know some doctors who scream blue murder over it (fear of anything âalternativeâ) and others who say its no issue at all and would not try to talk down anyone.
I know a midwife who does home births and there has never been an issue. They spend months preparing the parents for it and have all sorts of contigency plans. She believes issues that may need hospitals show up well before a birth, and they then act accordingly. She believes the mindset of the motger is the most important as well as a calm father as fathers often cause more oroblens than they solve.
She is a medical nurse of course.
I do understand the want for the feeling of safety and a man wanting the best and safest for wife & kid, but there is a disproportionate fear here based on absolutely no negative evidence. In fact theere has been more mishaps (according to my midwife friend) in hospitals from cosultants and medical staff resulting in issues or even deaths than tgere ever has been with home births.
@TheUlteriorMotive - same midwife definitely brought a mother & child to hospital on one occassion i remember as a precaution.
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I could see how a home birth could be a great experience for the family, all going well. I know for our second one, neither would have survived if we werent in the hospital. Everything was nice and fine at the early stage. Then as time went on, more and more doctors and nurses ended up in the room and it was quite clear things were going wrong. It was too late for a C section but that call probably should have been made earlier but then some people dont want to be forced into a C section either so its a no win situation really. Anyway, they ended up getting the child out, basically handing him to me and the room just cleared out and I was left on my own in a fairly messed up place. Child was fine, if a little battered, but would heal. I didnt know how my wife was until about 4 or 5 hours later as she was in surgery basically from the minute the child was born. It took a long time to recover after that and it was far from a pleasant experience. But at the same time, everything worked out fine in the long run for both of them and there was no long term damage to either as they were able to rectify issues there and then.
But home births, or private or whatever parents want to do when having a child is each persons choice. Same as things they do when bringing up their kid. Each to their own and it is one area where Iâd be very hesitant to be making any judgements or aspersions on other people about how they do things or what they see as being best for their child and family. Everyone has an opinion, but you have to do what you think is best for your situation with any guidance or help you can get.
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You cannot compare ho e births of the past with a modern home birth with experienced and medically trained mid-wives.
Thats alarmist and extremely dumb.
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Alright so, home births are great.
For some people yes they are.
The science is there to suppirt the outlook of the calmer the birth the better and that it has a long term benefit for the child in dealing with trauma down the road.
Mate yesterday you couldnât differentiate between a creche and pre-school.
Please point to anything that might suggest a modern high tech maternity hospital is not by far the most appropriate place to fire out your kid.
Traumatic births are a function of the complications encountered. They will get a lot more complicated in a house.
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Modern tech means most of these things are seen well in advance.
What does not being sure about one subject effect my understanding of another? Bizarre outlook.
The hospital approach is clinical and technical safety and nothing wrong with it. But also busy and chaotic. Some people believe this can add to the tramua of child birth for mother and child. Thats a reasonable outlook. And its been shown to be perfectly safe.
Its the screaming mary ignorant bleating against it here thats embarrassing.