The Official TFK Ireland 1912-1923 Thread

[Julio_Geordio]

@Tank

@Julio_Geordio

… organised police force mate. It was a quasi military tool for the suppression of Irish people by the British Government and the ruling classes. It was not in line with the other British police forces of the time in that they were armed, lived in barracks and couldn’t be stationed in their own region.

I’ll bow to your superior knowledge here but it was my understanding that the RIC before the war of Independence kicked off were basically just a regular police force. I think I saw that in the RTE documentary 7 Ages, scoff at that if you want. Are you saying that Ireland never had at regular police force before the Gardai?

They were irregular versus other British police forces anyway. Think someone posted above the weren’t allowed join the British policing union because of it

[anon61878697]

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Tank

@Julio_Geordio

… organised police force mate. It was a quasi military tool for the suppression of Irish people by the British Government and the ruling classes. It was not in line with the other British police forces of the time in that they were armed, lived in barracks and couldn’t be stationed in their own region.

I’ll bow to your superior knowledge here but it was my understanding that the RIC before the war of Independence kicked off were basically just a regular police force. I think I saw that in the RTE documentary 7 Ages, scoff at that if you want. Are you saying that Ireland never had at regular police force before the Gardai?

The broadcasting wing of the Stickies is what you are using for historical guidance ?

[Tank]

OK sorry I thought when you asked if France would commemorate the Vicky police you must have been drawing some sort of comparison between them and the RIC. Maybe you just happened to be wondering that today and just posted it in this thread because it was busy. Let’s not fight, carry on.

[Tank]

Have I been lied to my whole life? We’re we too stupid to plant potatoes or not?

[anon7035031]

I certainly can’t handle your truth which seems highly warped.

It’s a good metaphor for a lot of the nonsense on here though. We should never forgive Lemass for accidentally discharged a gun when he was 16 and an active member of the IRA, tragically killing his infant brother, but we should trudge up to Soloheadbeg every year to commemorate those who slaughtered their fellow Irishmen in cold blood before war was declared.

You definitely hold the high moral ground mate.

[Gman]

@TheUlteriorMotive

…That’s fair.As a great grand son of a former RIC Constable I wonder why anybody would want to commemorate the RIC when nobody asked for it. Seems a bizarre own goal/shooting in the foot to have raised it. Nobody was clamouring for it.

This is what I was thinking too. The group tasked with this didnt even recommend a commemoration, despite tim telling us it was discussed in the minutes on their website. they did acknowledge the RIC and their role in this era and how it should be recognised as a historical piece, which I’d have no issue with either.

But in its place, as part of an exhibition or documentation of records to get an understanding of it all. Not as a state commemoration. Just because we can look at our past and accept what went on and be forced to “mature” doesnt necessarily mean we have to think they were following orders or rewrite history that the RIC were a great bunch of misunderstood lads.

[Tank]

Say goodbye to the next 4 years of your life Fagan.

[Sidney]

@Fagan_ODowd

Just because the comparison is uncomfortable for you doesn’t mean that it is invalid.

The issue of it being uncomfortable doesn’t even come into it because only valid comparisons can be uncomfortable and your comparison is completely laughable and trivialises history in a child like manner

The most valid comparison hasn’t even happened yet

It will be how the RUC are commemorated in any future united Ireland, circa 2100, when it is a century since the RUC was disbanded

Such a commemoration would be pretty much identical to this in terms of the issues it raises and the feelings it arouses

And yet such commemorations, including to the dead of the Provisional IRA etc., will be essential in the new state

[anon7035031]

How about having no commemorations until we have an United Ireland, and then commemorate that date henceforward.

[Bandage]

@artfoley

id actually it was supposed to be a trigger to make the shinners go nuts and he could point to that during the election campaign. unfortunately for him the irish people arent guardianistas and just widely reviled the plan

That was my feeling too - is it Charlie Flanagan that pushed for this commemoration? He’d have history of trying to push Shinner buttons and I suspect they thought they could take the high moral ground and call these “rapid republicans” immature and unworthy of being involved in grown up politics etc etc. They were actually going on the front foot as recently as the weekend and picking battles on that basis.

But it’s backfired quite spectacularly in that it’s generated at best a lot of disquiet and in many cases revulsion across the board, and not just in what I think was their intended target. Ferriter’s statement adds further to my belief that this was a Flanagan solo run.

Bruton was hilarious on tv last night btw way.

[anon61878697]

Live footage of Charlie Flanagan now…

FierceWarriorNStilettos (InactionNever)

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Bandage

@artfoley

id actually it was supposed to be a trigger to make the shinners go nuts and he could point to that during the election campaign. unfortunately for him the irish people arent guardianistas and just widely reviled the plan

That was my feeling too - is it Charlie Flanagan that pushed for this commemoration? He’d have history of trying to push Shinner buttons and I suspect they thought they could take the high moral ground and call these “rapid republicans” immature and unworthy of being involved in grown up politics etc etc. They were actually going on the front foot as recently as the weekend and picking battles on that basis.

But it’s backfired quite spectacularly in that it’s generated at best a lot of disquiet and in many cases revulsion across the board, and not just in what I think was their intended target. Ferriter’s statement adds further to my belief that this was a Flanagan solo run.

Bruton was hilarious on tv last night btw way.

Rabid?

[Bandage]

Yes.

Alternatively, republicans who support the white water rafting initiative in Pretend IRA territory.

[Fagan_ODowd]

Sir Neville Chamberlain (not that one, the other one) who is credited with inventing the game of snooker during his time in India was Inspector General (ie highest officer) of the RIC from 1900 to 1916.

[Fagan_ODowd]

The mayor of Limerick will not attend the commemoration. Neither will John Halligan.

[TreatyStones]

Only right considering the RIC murdered two previous office holders.

[Corksfinedtboy]

@tallback

Along with a bit of dog-whistle racism/xenophobia from

Maybe this commemoration is just the prism for everybody to bring their own prejudices to the table while disregarding those of others

Wow you’re angry 🤷sssssh chill

[Corksfinedtboy]

Good for him

[Fagan_ODowd]

@anon7035031

…lly discharged a gun when he was 16 and an active member of the IRA, tragically killing his infant brother, but we should trudge up to Soloheadbeg every year to commemorate those who slaughtered their fellow Irishmen in cold blood before war was declared.You definitely hold the high moral ground mate.

I’ve been at one Soloheadbeg commemoration. This years one. According to Diarmuid Ferriter “the commemorative model to mark the centenary of the Soloheadbeg Ambush is the correct approach to the observance of the sensitive and complex centenaries that will occur in 2020.”