The Official TFK Ireland 1912-1923 Thread

[Fagan_ODowd]

@anon67715551

The actual informant was a Protestant farmer named George Latimer who had sight of the flying column across Doonera lake. He “let it slip” in Mohill despite the duplicious cunt making his way there with the news. It was a 5/6 mile walk as you know.

It was an absolute cock-up of an ambush anyway from the off in that the column were below the level of the road and the auxiliaries just motored to the top of the hill and strafed the valley with machine gun fire.

Latimer had visitors about a month after who stood him at the corner of his haggard facing the ambush scene and shot him dead. The family fled within the month and the land (maybe 25 acres) was commandeered by neighbours before finalising title in the 60’s.

Strafed is a great word

[farmerinthecity]

Right. I didn’t know that last bit.

There are people of a very similar name around Mohill these days and I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a link there given their carry on in the past.

[anon67715551]

@Fagan_ODowd

@anon67715551

The actual informant was a Protestant farmer named George Latimer who had sight of the flying column across Doonera lake. He “let it slip” in Mohill despite the duplicious cunt making his way there with the news. It was a 5/6 mile walk as you know.

It was an absolute cock-up of an ambush anyway from the off in that the column were below the level of the road and the auxiliaries just motored to the top of the hill and strafed the valley with machine gun fire.

Latimer had visitors about a month after who stood him at the corner of his haggard facing the ambush scene and shot him dead. The family fled within the month and the land (maybe 25 acres) was commandeered by neighbours before finalising title in the 60’s.

Strafed is a great word

I slipped it in there knowing a veteran military man like yourself would appreciate it…

[Fagan_ODowd]

@anon67715551

@Fagan_ODowd

@anon67715551

The actual informant was a Protestant farmer named George Latimer who had sight of the flying column across Doonera lake. He “let it slip” in Mohill despite the duplicious cunt making his way there with the news. It was a 5/6 mile walk as you know.

It was an absolute cock-up of an ambush anyway from the off in that the column were below the level of the road and the auxiliaries just motored to the top of the hill and strafed the valley with machine gun fire.

Latimer had visitors about a month after who stood him at the corner of his haggard facing the ambush scene and shot him dead. The family fled within the month and the land (maybe 25 acres) was commandeered by neighbours before finalising title in the 60’s.

Strafed is a great word

I slipped it in there knowing a veteran military man like yourself would appreciate it…

I did a bit of strafing in my day alright.

[anon67715551]

I’d be slightly surprised about that one. This wouldn’t be a lad at the bottom of the town that used to fix radios and TV’s. I always found him alright but wouldn’t have had a lot of truck with him.

There was rumour years ago that the Doctor in Mohill was innocently implicated but to the best of my knowledge Paddy Muldoon was the doctor in the town then. He was killed afterwards by Republican forces implicated in the Fr.Ryans shitehawkery.

Strange times indeed.

[farmerinthecity]

@anon67715551

I’d be slightly surprised about that one. This wouldn’t be a lad at the bottom of the town that used to fix radios and TV’s. I always found him alright but wouldn’t have had a lot of truck with him.

Not him but his descendant is causing havoc around the town.

The family I am thinking of would have a lad who used to do the door with the Kellys, two of the girls were married around Mohill as well - wouldn’t have a great name.

It could be 2 + 2 = 5 with me.

[the_man_himself]

I’m not really sure what Fine Gael expected the response to be. Mad idea

[anon67715551]

Mohill would benefit from a Harry Callahan type of law officer. There’s a lad who turns up in court wearing a traffic cone on his head, calm as you like. Irreversible you’d feel.

[Rocko]

@Tim_Riggins

People not being able to find stuff is their issue. Recommendations of the advisory committee.

Tim you’re a few hours behind the news here. This was all cleared up a while ago by Mr Ferriter. You’re not breaking anything new here.

[Bandage]

They made such a mess of it that they would have looked like hapless clowns whether they pressed ahead or cancelled it. That said, they come across as being really shallow as you say.

[Mullach_Ide]

@Bandage

They made such a mess of it that they would have looked like hapless clowns whether they pressed ahead or cancelled it. That said, they come across as being really shallow as you say.

Once Buff Egan got involved they had no choice really.

[Sidney]

@johnnysachs

You mentioned reconciliation above which would mean a restoration of a broken down friendship or unity. There was no prior friendship to reconcile. The special reserve of the RIC Aka the black and tans raped, pillaged and murdered across the country. Our founding fathers lived in a deeply subverted police state. And to actually call the RIC a police force is a euphemism in the extreme as the Auxies were a paramilitary part of the RIC who reeked havoc and consternation everywhere they went. There is nothing to commemorate here and it is deeply shameful part of our history.

As time passes memories fade and stories fall between the cracks of time. But I can always recall my grandmother recalling how her own mother was brutally manhandled in Galbally. My great grandmother who was pregnant at the time with gave birth to my granaunt some months later. She was born with special needs but lived to the ripe old age of 90. Who knows what kind if life my granaunt could have had. Who knows if my great grandmothers treatment lead to her impediments but they certainly didn’t help her be it distress or post traumatic symptoms etc. I’m sure they are many anecdotes like the above and much much worse that occurred that are being resurrected these last couple of days. I am saddened but not surprised at the latest attempt to rewrite Irish history.

There are terrible stories on all sides

There are different historical truths depending on which “side” people were on

The RIC as they saw it were the police force of the state

The RUC as they saw it were the police force of the state

And they were, because what other state was there, none

A lot of people in both those forces did terrible things but there were also plenty of good people in those forces

Those that fought the RIC and RUC absolutely believed that they were fighting for freedom

But a lot of people who fought the RIC and the RUC did unquestionably terrible things

History is complex

The outcome determines the narrative, but the officially determined narrative is not the one objective, overarching truth

Had the British not responded in the way they did to 1916, or certainly had the 1916 executions not happened, Irish history might well have worked out very differently

The 1916 rebels might well have been seen as traitors rather than the heroes they became in the popular memory, especially as a lot of civilians died at their hands, as well as at the hands of the British

There would likely have been no War of Independence

Pearse called for the old heart of the earth to be warmed with the red wine of the battlefield - insane rhetoric and if somebody said that today they’d be classed as a fanatical nutcase

Like, tell me that the families of the civilians who died during the Rising, children a lot of them, and plenty of them at the hands of the rebels, didn’t have terrible stories to tell or weren’t rightly outraged at the rebels taking the lives of their loved ones away

Hell, many of those who fought together in 1919-1921 hated each other forever because of what happened in 1922-1923

Are people now who identify with a particular side in the Civil War, to dictate that those on the “other side” shouldn’t be commemorated

Each thought they had right on their side, and each side in that war did terrible things

Bottom line is, we, ie. all those who voted for the Good Friday Agreement, expected the families of the victims of the Troubles, who still vividly remembered their loved ones being murdered in the recent past, to accept, for the greater good, the release of the people who murdered their loved ones, under the terms of that agreement

Sinn Fein certainly expected them to do that, they wanted their people out of prison

No doubt an incredbly difficult pill to swallow for those families of the victims

While we also say that the perpetrators of Bloody Sunday etc. should still be prosecuted - rightly so - because a country’s official army cut down and murdered innocent civilians, but there is a double standard there at the same time given that IRA/Loyalists were released - and it is difficult to reconcile even if you believe that the Good Friday Agreement was in the interests of the greater good, as I do

But yet Sinn Fein or many people outside of Sinn Fein can’t even accept a small commemoration for those who served in the RIC, - not an acknowledgement that the whole RIC force was good - because it wasn’t, but that good people did serve in it

While Sinn Fein and simultaneously tell young people in the CNR community to join the PSNI, a force which upholds British rule on this island

This is about a contemporary political claim for total innocence and total virtue for those on the independence side 100 years ago, and a claim for total evil for their opponents

That’s fake history

[anon61878697]

Agree with most of it - but people shouldnt be forced to commemorate either - instead the period should be used to explore the complexities of our history.

All said and done, the police force were still a colonial police force - created in the 1830s to implement coercive laws — they were essentially the police force of the landed gentry for most of the 19th century. So much so that the Brits based all their colonial police on the Irish constabulary … local evictions in particular are still remembered in rual Ireland -

[tallback]

@anon61878697

Agree with most of it - but people shouldnt be forced to commemorate either - instead the period should be used to explore the complexities of our history.

All said and done, the police force were still a colonial police force - created in the 1830s to implement coercive laws — they were essentially the police force of the landed gentry for most of the 19th century. So much so that the Brits based all their colonial police on the Irish constabulary … local evictions in particular are still remembered in rual Ireland -

When has anyone been “forced” to commemorate something?

[the_man_himself]

Good post Sid, good to get the opposing view in an articulate manner even if I still disagree with the commemoration. I also don’t think there’s any need to commemorate the Gardai fwiw

[anon61878697]

Ok - you took that very literally. Having an official state commemoration despite no one wanting it …and the moral blackmailing ---- ‘mature’

[Fagan_ODowd]

A bizarre notion anyway, commemorating a police force. Will we be commemorating the civil servants, nurses and teachers next?

[Corksfinedtboy]

@TreatyStones

Event cancelled.
Massive climb down by the government.

People spoke,no choice but to listen- another nail in the posh boys party’s coffin

[the_man_himself]

Yeah, it’s a job. To paraphrase Roy Queen “Do we commemorate the post man for delivering your letter?”

[Corksfinedtboy]

Up to the climbdown last evening