The Official TFK Ireland 1912-1923 Thread

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@anon61878697

Ok - you took that very literally. Having an official state commemoration despite no one wanting it …and the moral blackmailing ---- ‘mature’

Well I think some of the language used in the last couple of days has been loose at the most generous interpretation.

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@Corksfinedtboy

Up to the climbdown last evening

Wind your neck in - you can barely “force” people to obey the law here or pay taxes let alone make them commemorate someone or something

[Julio_Geordio]

@buffegan is gone fierce political these days. And that’s not an insult, that is just a fact of life.

[anon61878697]

I personally dont care one way or the other if they commemorate the RIC ---- Just like I didnt care one way or the other about Soloheadbeg — I think a lot of these things are a load of bollix that people will use to reinforce their own world view — when that’s the last thing we need. The government would have been better off going away and letting academics, through funding, present a very balanced view through TV/RADIO/Paper on all these issues - to educate and inform… typical of our political elite really, half arsed measures that they think they can railroad through.

[Corksfinedtboy]

Government would have been better off thinking first but they’re so out of touch with the ordinary folk they just ploughed on

[Corksfinedtboy]

Agree ref tax etc,but on this occasion people power stopped them in their tracks doesent happen too often but it’s a serious wake up call to Leo the Langer and company

[the_man_himself]

He’s a typical simpleton Shinner

[balbec]

A doctor like yourself maybe?

[carryharry]

Stops inciting hatred you despicable cunt.

[Sidney]

@Julio_Geordio

@buffegan is gone fierce political these days.

I don’t think that’s a very good idea for him

Although if he says “Death to America” on video I’ll change my mind

[Corksfinedtboy]

Hatred?

[Gman]

It would be interesting to read the minutes of these discussions and apparent “serious concerns” that were raised but subsequently ignored.

How did plans to remember the RIC and DMP become so controversial?

Professor Diarmaid Ferriter of the Group on Commemorations said they never recommended that there should be a State ceremony for the RIC and DMP.

However, their advice is ambiguously phrased, stating that “consideration should also be given to the organisation of specific initiatives to commemorate the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) and the Dublin Metropolitan Police (DMP) and to acknowledge their place in history”.

Prof Ferriter clarified that the expert advisory group only recommended a small number of State ceremonies over the coming years; one to remember the War of Independence, two to mark the coming into being of the State, one for the Civil War and one to remember Ireland’s entry into the League of Nations in 2023 which will end the Decade of Centenaries.

Fianna Fáil Senator Mark Daly said the issue was raised at the all-party group on commemorations in April and “serious concerns” were raised about it.

The committee asked for clarification on how such a commemoration would proceed at their November meeting. “It was our understanding there was going to be another meeting of the committee before the launch, but it didn’t happen. The lack of consultation is a concern.”

[Sidney]

@Fagan_ODowd

A bizarre notion anyway, commemorating a police force. Will we be commemorating the civil servants, nurses and teachers next?

I don’t think there were many civil servants, nurses and teachers being shot purely because they were civil servants, nurses and teachers

[Julio_Geordio]

@Sidney

@Fagan_ODowd

A bizarre notion anyway, commemorating a police force. Will we be commemorating the civil servants, nurses and teachers next?

I don’t think there were many civil servants, nurses and teachers being shot purely because they were civil servants, nurses and teachers

Was there many of them baton charging strikers?

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Julio_Geordio

@Sidney

@Fagan_ODowd

A bizarre notion anyway, commemorating a police force. Will we be commemorating the civil servants, nurses and teachers next?

I don’t think there were many civil servants, nurses and teachers being shot purely because they were civil servants, nurses and teachers

Was there many of them baton charging strikers?

Bizarre stuff. It’d be like commemorating the police at the Battle of Orgreave.

[Sidney]

It’s possible to think police acted abominably during the Lockout and that British rule in Ireland was a bad thing and still think that killing people merely because they were in the RIC was also a bad thing

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Sidney

It’s possible to think police acted abominably during the Lockout and that British rule in Ireland was a bad thing and still think that killing people merely because they were in the RIC was also a bad thing

That’s not quite the same as commemorating them though is it? Commemorating can be interpreted as a validation of the acts they perpetrated.

[Sidney]

@Fagan_ODowd

Bizarre stuff. It’d be like commemorating the police at the Battle of Orgreave.

No

It would be like saying that because the Battle of Orgreave happened, that all South Yorkshire police were fair game to be murdered

What did for the miners’ strike in terms of public support was when a taxi driver who was driving a scab to work, was killed when a concrete block came through his windscreen

[Sidney]

@Fagan_ODowd

That’s not quite the same as commemorating them though is it? Commemorating can be interpreted as a validation of the acts they perpetrated.

Is commemorating the Irish dead of World War I a validation of an imperial war?

Soloheadbeg had a state commemoration so I presume you think that signifies retrospective state validation of what happened there

[Julio_Geordio]

@Fagan_ODowd

Bizarre stuff. It’d be like commemorating the police at the Battle of Orgreave.

I hear the NUM are thinking of organising a commemoration of Maggie Thatcher’s 10 year anniversary.

Jelly and Ice Cream all round