Em, O’Toole’s very point is that it’s not a straightforward issue
The “point” of those who have resorted to nationalist rabble rousing is that it is a straightforward issue - that the RIC were merely “Brits” and “traitors”
This is obviously a wrong and stupid take - and it is quite straightforward to understand that
His headline indicates otherwise
i) Writers don’t write their own headlines - and anyway, the headline indicates no such thing - you’re referring to one particular word on the blurb on the front page whiich you have chosen to be offended by for effect, and I use the word “chosen” very deliberately
ii) You’ve completely avoided anything written in the article
Get away with that. No one can have a pop at your sacred cows.
Fucking sidiot
It definitely isn’t me who has sacred cow syndrome here, it’s you and others
The problem on this forum and elsewhere is people choose to get tremendously offended when their sacred cow beliefs are exposed for what they are
O’Toole has skewered you beautifully here
Ah lovely
You’re some man for pointing out the problems with the forum and the people that post here.
The biggest problem with this forum is you.
Anyone who disagrees with you is a fascist and you populate every forum with your stale banter and tabloid headline witticisms.
I guess you just missed somebody calling me a Nazi rapist Putin lover and @Fagan_ODowd comparing the RIC to Nazis 
Funny that, isn’t it
The problem with the forum is anti-free speech right-wingers like yourself not being able to accept that people should be able to have different views to them
That propensity has been demonstrated perfectly on this thread
I’m not sure what you provide on this forum except spam, by the way
I haven’t read Tools piece… But you spent the morning arguing that nationalism is built on a degree of false truths or romanticism… If this is prevalent in society, which it is, then what were people expecting to happen here? Shouting at people to mature is just plain stupid. The government jumped at this without any thoughts… Ferriter and his likes foresaw the outcome.
Tool’s( and other) pieces should have been done in the lead up to the event. Education is the answer, not railroading it through. And not throwing the pram in the aftermath.
I have no issue with commemorating the RIC and welcome the discussions around it … But it’s the way FG have gone about this, which will ultimately just lead to more closed minds rather than creating an avenue to correct old narratives - that would be my gripe.
If the only “argument” people can dredge up is affected anger at the word “mature”, that’s not much of an argument - it’s a perfect demonstration of populist right-wing bullshit based on feelings, based on eternally taking offence
There’s nothing worth commemorating until a United Ireland is secured. While the fight for Irish independence was a noble cause, the outcome was dreadful. A civil war that was far worse than the war of Independence in terms of brutality, men slaughtering each other who had been on the same side a year earlier. The IRA lost far more men in the civil war than they lost in the WOI, men who had fought bravely against the British taken out and shot at dawn in reprisals (Mellows, O’Connor), or just outright murdered in spite (Noel Lemass after hostilities had ceased).
The longer term outcome was the establishment of two sectarian states, less so in the south, but still a lot to regret in our history rather than commemorate. We should focus on making Ireland a pluralist secular Republic where those of the loyalist tradition feel welcome, without bowing to their sectarian bullshit.
Reset and go again.
That’s why I felt an RIC event should have waited until the end of all other events. The vast majority of the Twitter and social media commentators probably have no idea what went on in the civil war given there are no songs or films on it. It’s been a taboo subject for 100 years. People are unaware of just how brutal it was.
Wind that shakes the barley
Any republican in Cork or Kerry ( of a certain age)certainly are well versed in the free state butchery that went on
I’d half agree.
I’ve seen lads moaning & shouting about the whole thing who are staunch FG, FF & Labours voters. Others again with no political affiliations but true idiots nonetheless.
The class of ape who got wound up over this on the first place 
Were you tans not mature enough ?
Any word from @ChairmanDan on this?
Were the Tans not mature enough to mark the 1916 rising or WOI? - will they be mature enough to mark the Treaty and Irish independence ? Or is it only little Mick and Paddy that needs to mature?
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