What are the figures?
I said the figures . So in 2019 we had 10 black deaths caused by a shooting, 6 of those people had a deadly weapon on them . This is out of 320 million people . Youd have more deaths caused from a bald tyre .
Lads, the shootings are extreme outcomes of an underlying condition.
This issue comes from the systemic and repeated harassment of young black males, regardless of economic circumstance by law enforcement. It doesn’t always have to be violent to be a problem. This issue has been persistent for decades, it’s made it’s way into popular culture and it’s not been fixed.
If tensions like that are allowed build up for long periods, theres a snap.
It doesn’t have to be a violent interaction to be harassment or prejudiced policing.
Getting pulled over constantly in your nice car you paid for legally must be soul destroying, the reason being the cop sees you are black and driving a nice car and is conditioned to thing you got it illegally.
My old man chanced his arm in the lower leagues in England in the 70s, he regularly got harassed going to training with a gear bag by the cops in the UK. He said it made him violently angry and he wasnt even overly political, any bomb today Paddy?
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Proving very hard to find accurate statistics from 2019, there a study from 2009-12 that says 14% of blacks killed were unarmed contrasted to 9% whites. But even the classification of killings as unarmed suggests that all armed killings are justified,which I’m sure isn’t the case.
There’s quoted figures that last year the police killed 19 unarmed whites and 9 unarmed blacks. Blacks being 13% of the population. But you have to factor in the number of interactions between police and a race, how and when they come into contact,and the nature of those interactions, is more relevant than overall population statistics.
I’m not saying there’s not bias,but my original answer was that it’s not just certain communities that end up killed by police.
You have to look at each case individually,it’s a human life in each case. Chapelle mentions Michael Brown,but just his name,not any more background,do you think he should have been shot?
Your figure is close but it’s slightly off.
The number of black people killed by police in the States in 2019 was 250. Not 10. So 2500% off. But otherwise accurate. Oh except there aren’t 320 million black people in the US of course. So you’re comparing deaths from a select group to the total population. Oops. So that number is wrong by about 280 million.
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Throw up a link for this 10 blacks shot dead by police.
This is from a WSJ journalist who obviously has a certain viewpoint but if anyone can argue it down I’d like to hear there viewpoint
The Myth of Systemic Police Racism
Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias.
By Heather Mac Donald
June 2, 2020 1:44 pm ET
George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis has revived the Obama-era narrative that law enforcement is endemically racist. On Friday, Barack Obama tweeted that for millions of black Americans, being treated differently by the criminal justice system on account of race is “tragically, painfully, maddeningly ‘normal.’ ” Mr. Obama called on the police and the public to create a “new normal,” in which bigotry no longer “infects our institutions and our hearts.”
Joe Biden released a video the same day in which he asserted that all African-Americans fear for their safety from “bad police” and black children must be instructed to tolerate police abuse just so they can “make it home.” That echoed a claim Mr. Obama made after the ambush murder of five Dallas officers in July 2016. During their memorial service, the president said African-American parents were right to fear that their children may be killed by police officers whenever they go outside.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz denounced the “stain . . . of fundamental, institutional racism” on law enforcement during a Friday press conference. He claimed blacks were right to dismiss promises of police reform as empty verbiage.
This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyd’s arrest, it isn’t representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.
In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.
The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.
On Memorial Day weekend in Chicago alone, 10 African-Americans were killed in drive-by shootings. Such routine violence has continued—a 72-year-old Chicago man shot in the face on May 29 by a gunman who fired about a dozen shots into a residence; two 19-year-old women on the South Side shot to death as they sat in a parked car a few hours earlier; a 16-year-old boy fatally stabbed with his own knife that same day. This past weekend, 80 Chicagoans were shot in drive-by shootings, 21 fatally, the victims overwhelmingly black. Police shootings are not the reason that blacks die of homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined; criminal violence is.
The latest in a series of studies undercutting the claim of systemic police bias was published in August 2019 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The researchers found that the more frequently officers encounter violent suspects from any given racial group, the greater the chance that a member of that group will be fatally shot by a police officer. There is “no significant evidence of antiblack disparity in the likelihood of being fatally shot by police,” they concluded.
A 2015 Justice Department analysis of the Philadelphia Police Department found that white police officers were less likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot unarmed black suspects. Research by Harvard economist Roland G. Fryer Jr. also found no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings. Any evidence to the contrary fails to take into account crime rates and civilian behavior before and during interactions with police.
The false narrative of systemic police bias resulted in targeted killings of officers during the Obama presidency. The pattern may be repeating itself. Officers are being assaulted and shot at while they try to arrest gun suspects or respond to the growing riots. Police precincts and courthouses have been destroyed with impunity, which will encourage more civilization-destroying violence. If the Ferguson effect of officers backing off law enforcement in minority neighborhoods is reborn as the Minneapolis effect, the thousands of law-abiding African-Americans who depend on the police for basic safety will once again be the victims.
The Minneapolis officers who arrested George Floyd must be held accountable for their excessive use of force and callous indifference to his distress. Police training needs to double down on de-escalation tactics. But Floyd’s death should not undermine the legitimacy of American law enforcement, without which we will continue on a path toward chaos.
Ms. Mac Donald is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and the author of “The War on Cops,” (Encounter Books, 2016).
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Here is a report on it
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793
Black, latino, native american and eskimo are significantly more likely to be killed than a white person.
The peak risk for age of death is 20-35
This is a very well constructed report and the findings are irrefutable
1 in 1000 black men will be killed by police over a life time
39 in 100,000 white men will suffer the same fate
Damning stuff
Rocko it’s not fair to pick on poor project x, he’s enough problems.
That’s the argument that more blacks get shot because they are criminals. For fucks sake fella
It’s the argument that police shootings happen more often in violent interactions, that’s a very plain truth
Does it say who instigated the violent interactions? No? Thought not
What percentage of people shot by cops are living in poverty, involved in crime, have low educational levels, addiction and mental health issues! I’d hazard a guess the vast majority.
Is racism a factor in black people ending up affected by these issues proportionally more than other groups. Most certainly. Discrimination in housing was a huge factor in creating ghettos. White flight from urban centres and changes in public school systems also had a huge impact on educational attainment. The war on drugs also. Welfare dependency and the cycle that creates also a huge factor. We see that here as well.
How do you fix it is the question. Diagnosing the causes is the easy part finding viable solutions is the problem. Billions and trillions are thrown at tackling the above issues every year so much so that its turned in to an industry itself.
With regard to police shootings I think the best way would be to create a broad coalition across the political spectrum to push for change. Unity instead of division. Which in fairness the protests seem yo be showing is happening yo some degree. But while i agree with the main goal of BLM to tackle police violence as an organisation im not really a fan of the other stuff they are pushing. ie “We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement” etc. A read of their website is informative. It’s a political organisation (which it has the right to be) that supporting prescribes certain political views on you. Which in turn means a large population of the US wont/cant support. If you are a non racist conservative or religious person following BLM dogma is going to be problematic.
The simple fact is incidents like the George flyold one do happen to white people as well. They should all be used to build consensus across the line to push for change. See how quick meaningful changes would happen then. Even flat out racists should care about people being murdered by the cops bizzare and all as that may seem.
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The vast majority of the interactions is crimes taking place. Have a guess whos the instigator there
This all stems from the non violent harassment of people by police. That’s hard to quantify. Tension, if not relieved will eventually lead to violence.
How do you fix the big underlying issue of harassment in policing?
Crimes can be solved without shooting every fucker committing them.
Well there was 375 million interactions,I don’t think they all resulted in shootings
Over sight and accountability would be a start. But is a complicated topic. I was following a Twitter thread where the argument was to disband the police etc. One lad was asking for young people to attend community forums etc to push for this. He made the point that older people at these meeting always pushed for more police. Especially the older generation in poor black areas.
I’ve read community activists say that the high number of shootings in Chicago the other day was due to a lack of police in certain areas at the time as they were downtown at protests.
In short. It’s complicated.
It’s very complicated. The problem is police are trained to respond to violence, and go around with that mindset (especially in the US) but then have to deal with issues that would be far better handled by mental health professionals, addiction workers, mediation services and even council workers. Diametrically opposite roles. Ideally you’d have the services to deal with those issues and police to deal with violent scenarios but that would take mountains of resources. Maybe now they’ll be put in place.
Doesn’t France have a system where theres essentially different police forces,one which deals with issues in the community, rubbish, graffiti, noise complaints and then another that’s pretty much just riot police. Can’t remember what the names are but I was told to watch out for the one uniform as they would go through for a shortcut while the rest were easy going.
You claim to know the total population of America, you are a fool loads of undocumentedin there . Ya most of the 300 were armed and deserved a bullet .
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