Yeah agreed re girls at that age being stand out players (often they are bigger at that age than boys too up to 13 or so anyway) - funny to see it as you sort of think boys are intrinsically better than girls which they are not
My point was more about average supporter/fan not being impressed with women’s sports because they feel they could do the same and just don’t rate it.
It is self fulfilling too - the attempt to create hype over the women’s rugby team was embarrassing given that a lot of those players are playing for three years or less - what sport can you get to elite status in three years?
As somebody said above you cannot make people care.
Katie Taylor is interesting - it is an unbelievably niche sport, she seems exceptionally talented but I wouldn’t rank her medal the same as a female athletics Olympic medal in terms of standard achieved to win it.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1017731, member: 2272”]Yeah agreed re girls at that age being stand out players (often they are bigger at that age than boys too up to 13 or so anyway) - funny to see it as you sort of think boys are intrinsically better than girls which they are not
My point was more about average supporter/fan not being impressed with women’s sports because they feel they could do the same and just don’t rate it.
It is self fulfilling too - the attempt to create hype over the women’s rugby team was embarrassing given that a lot of those players are playing for three years or less - what sport can you get to elite status in three years?
As somebody said above you cannot make people care.
Katie Taylor is interesting - it is an unbelievably niche sport, she seems exceptionally talented but I wouldn’t rank her medal the same as a female athletics Olympic medal in terms of standard achieved to win it.[/QUOTE]
So if the girls at that age are stand out players, the difference at adult level is probably physicality/coaching in sports like GAA. And it shows that clearly the girls that reach the top level in their sport are better than the majority of average punters/participants at their chosen sport, if as you say they are standing out at a certain age group on a field of 30 players.
At the end of the day, the average supporter/fan can’t do what most female athletes do.
The rugby coverage was a strange example but I would put that down to the unique coverage of rugby in Irish media and number of armchair supporters that sport attracts.
I don’t agree re Taylor. Sure, boxing is a niche sport so not as many at it as other sports in the Olympics. Is it more niche than many of the athletics disciplines though? I doubt it. It’s probably more competitive than, say, javelin. And I’d consider it more impressive than walking or triple jump or some such thing. Of course, that’s all subjective.
[QUOTE=“glasagusban, post: 1017741, member: 1533”]So if the girls at that age are stand out players, the difference at adult level is probably physicality/coaching in sports like GAA. And it shows that clearly the girls that reach the top level in their sport are better than the majority of average punters/participants at their chosen sport, if as you say they are standing out at a certain age group on a field of 30 players.
At the end of the day, the average supporter/fan can’t do what most female athletes do.
The rugby coverage was a strange example but I would put that down to the unique coverage of rugby in Irish media and number of armchair supporters that sport attracts.
I don’t agree re Taylor. Sure, boxing is a niche sport so not as many at it as other sports in the Olympics. Is it more niche than many of the athletics disciplines though? I doubt it. It’s probably more competitive than, say, javelin. And I’d consider it more impressive than walking or triple jump or some such thing. Of course, that’s all subjective.[/QUOTE]
I cannot believe that people are mentioning camogie in the same sentence as female athletics. The physical condition that some of them female inter county players take the pitch is is beyond a joke. I saw one female player in recent years who was defo two stone over weight and could hardly run, yet managed to win a few all stars. Would this happen in any other sport?
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I also think that in football, camogie, rugby an average club/social player or team would destroy a women’s team whereas in athletics that generally is not true and I assume same is true for tennis, swimming where the women are at a level which while below the elite men is a level above an average club player/athlete.[/QUOTE]
Anything involving strength and speed, females will lag considerably behind males on average.
Back in the 90’s, the US women’s soccer team was the best in the world, they won all before them, World Cup several times running, the Olympics, often beat other teams by cricket scores.
They used to play practice matches against the US mens’s u-18 team, but stopped because the games were so lopsided… they boys would hammer them. Instead they starting playing practice matches against the u-15 boys. They didn’t always win. Keep in mind, this was the finest Women’s soccer team in the world at the time, and they were for all intents and purposes a full time pro team.
When the German women won the WC in 2003 (??), right afterwards they played an exhibition match against one of the Bundesliga youth teams (think it was Bayer Lever), the match was only one 45 min half and they lost 6-0.
Have you watched any hurling in recent years? You might have noticed the odd multiple all star that was two stone overweight and could barely run. To be fair, most of them have retired and players aren’t getting away with that any more.
10 years back when the Williams sisters were at their peak, one of them challenged any man outside the top 200 players to a singles match stating they would win to prove the standard of women’s tennis. Some fella 10 places out of the top 200 played the game and crushed whichever of the beasts he played to love in both sets.
Women’s (stretching it to call them women as most of them are girls) gymnastics at the Olympics always gets more coverage than the men’s competition. I think it’s the same in ice skating but that isn’t a sport.
I created a lovely toasted sandwich with ham, chorizo and tomatoe there a while ago and after a few bites i noticed mould on the bread. Fucking loaf was gone off two days i’m bulling about it. :mad:
[QUOTE=“Distended Red Anus, post: 1017750, member: 2648”]Anything involving strength and speed, females will lag considerably behind males on average.
Back in the 90’s, the US women’s soccer team was the best in the world, they won all before them, World Cup several times running, the Olympics, often beat other teams by cricket scores.
They used to play practice matches against the US mens’s u-18 team, but stopped because the games were so lopsided… they boys would hammer them. Instead they starting playing practice matches against the u-15 boys. They didn’t always win. Keep in mind, this was the finest Women’s soccer team in the world at the time, and they were for all intents and purposes a full time pro team.
When the German women won the WC in 2003 (??), right afterwards they played an exhibition match against one of the Bundesliga youth teams (think it was Bayer Lever), the match was only one 45 min half and they lost 6-0.[/QUOTE]
Stating the obvious here but women’s team field sports are basically a joke. The men’s equivalents are on a different planet in terms of skill and physicality. I’ve never seen a women’s Gaelic football, hurling, association football or rugby match where the players didn’t all look like they were constipated.
Track and field, rowing, swimming etc all require rudimentary skills, so the only noticeable gap is in physicality, which enables the women’s competitions in these sports to be taken reasonably seriously.
Women’s tennis is taken seriously because it’s possibly the only skill sport apart from gymnastics where there isn’t a noticeable skill differential between men and women to the eye of the casual observer. Back in the days of Graf, Seles, Navratilova, Sabatini etc it was taken almost as seriously as the men’s but the men’s has completely blown it out of the water in recent years.
Yeah, @TheUlteriorMotive was talking quite a bit of rubbish about women’s tennis. It’s quite a low standard with games mainly characterised by multiple service breaks and lots of screeching.
Made no comment about standards as I don’t watch tennis. Just that women’s game seems as high profile as mens game and TV audience numbers support that position.
Multiple service breaks and screeching may be a part of those TV numbers.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1017942, member: 2272”]Made no comment about standards as I don’t watch tennis. Just that women’s game seems as high profile as mens game and TV audience numbers support that position.
Multiple service breaks and screeching may be a part of those TV numbers.[/QUOTE]
As an aside I have noticed debate on here is much more neutral and balanced mid week. As the week goes on a lot of anger and issues seem to bubble up and permeate posters posts. Maybe it is a coincidence but it deserves study i.e. Does the personality of the board change over the week and if so, why?
As an aside I have noticed debate on here is much more neutral and balanced mid week. As the week goes on a lot of anger and issues seem to bubble up and permeate posters posts. Maybe it is a coincidence but it deserves study i.e. Does the personality of the board change over the week and if so, why?[/QUOTE]
You nosey prick!
