Tom Humphries thread

[Bandage]

That was a weird segment with Paul Kimmage on Claire Byrne Live.

[Ashman]

Utterly surreal .

[maroonandwhite]

Care to expand pal

[Sidney]

@ChocolateMice

Your pinning everything on the end result… Any sane person would agree no one deserves to be raped. I’m talking about actions prior to putting yourself in a dangerous or compromised position… I’m not saying just because you did you deserved to be raped but the simple fact is millions of rapes happen every year and will continue to happen despite all your internet shite talk. None of them deserved it but many of them could have made better choices. Not all of course… But by fuck if I ever had a daughter I’d raise her to expect the worst and to stay safe and not throw herself at anything that moves.

None of that relates to personal responsibility for a criminal act.

[Nembo_Kid]

Going back to a stranger’s room under the influence of alcohol has everything to do with personal responsibility. Irrespective of what happens in that room, you are putting yourself in harm’s way.

[Sidney]

How can you be personally responsible for a crime you don’t commit?

Pleas for “a conversation about personal responsibility” are pleas to mitigate the blame for crime by dismissing the personal responsibility of the only person who is to blame - the perpetrator, and to apportion blame to the the victim.

Strangely enough, this type of nonsense almost always comes from self styled “law and order” types who often complain about the raw deal victims get.

Except when the crime is rape.

[Bandage]

There was an Anthony Foley doc on RTE earlier tonight apparently so the lead in was about that and it moved onto his values and the values Kimmage wants to see in sport and life. He raged about win at all costs and mentioned the horror of the thrown GPS device in the All Ireland Final again amongst other things.

Then he was asked about Tom Humphries and spoke about Tom’s “dreadful mistake” and “act”. 16,000 texts to a kid to groom her before defiling her is a bit more than a mistake and it was multiple actions rather than an act but how and ever. Said he visited him in the mental institution after a suicide attempt but he hadn’t seen him in 3 (three) years. 2017-3=2014. Started shouting “what am I meant to do on Twitter about this” and stuff.

In keeping with this thread’s trend of comparing things that aren’t related, it seemed really off to me that he went from seething about Lee Keegan’s and Dublin forwards’ cynicism and railing at how that signifies everything wrong with life today to using words, whether intentionally or not, that didn’t show any of that same opprobrium for a convicted child sex offender.

[Breaking_my_balls]

@Sidney being battered about the place like a fish in Lahinch today.

A character reference is, by it’s very nature, in direct opposition and conflict to the victim of the crime. A child in this case, who was sexually abused. Yet his current crusade is against victim blaming. Fucking hell…

[Breaking_my_balls]

@Bandage So, using Sidneys logic here…Lee Keegan is pro-Hook?

[Sidney]

@Bandage

Then he was asked about Tom Humphries and spoke about Tom’s “dreadful mistake” and “act”. 16,000 texts to a kid to groom her before defiling her is a bit more than a mistake and it was multiple actions rather than an act but how and ever. Said he visited him in the mental institution after a suicide attempt but he hadn’t seen him in 3 (three) years. 2017-3=2014. Started shouting “what am I meant to do on Twitter about this” and stuff.

If you know somebody closely, it’s a human reaction to go and see them if they have attempted suicide, even if they may have committed a serious crime.

It also doesn’t imply that the person doesn’t think that perpetrator should be brought to justice, isn’t 100% to blame for the crime they have committed or isn’t horrified at what they have done.

I thought Claire Byrne was a bit mischievous in almost trying to put words in Kimmage’s mouth that he clearly hadn’t said.

[maroonandwhite]

Unreal. Some of oirelands crusaders for truth at all costs journalists fobbing it off almost when its one of the lads. What is it with child abuse and the irish psyche. Arguably the most despicable crime so widespread and tolerated.

[anon7035031]

It’s almost surreal. If there’s one issue that should unite Irish people, given their horrendous history of failure on the subject, it’s protection of minors from sexual predators. The lengthiest prison terms for sex related crimes should be reserved for those that target minors, and yet we have arguments being put forth for leniency.

[gilgamboa]

@Sidney

I thought Claire Byrne was a bit mischievous in almost trying to put words in Kimmage’s mouth that he clearly hadn’t said.

Kimmage is well able to mind his own corner by now and hes well used to using that same trick himself

[myboyblue]

Big bad Clsire, tricking the poor helpless Paul Kimmage, this thread has it all

[Nembo_Kid]

@Sidney

How can you be personally responsible for a crime you don’t commit?

You are taking something completely out of context.

People have a personal responsibility to mind themselves and keep themselves out of dangerous situations. Going back to a stranger’s bedroom when loaded with alcohol is putting yourself in a dangerous situation. Their personal responsibility is to their own safety.

[Sidney]

@Nembo_Kid

You are taking something completely out of context.

No, I’m not. Refer to my previous answer.

Tom Humphries thread

How can you be personally responsible for a crime you don’t commit? Pleas for “a conversation about personal responsibility” are pleas to mitigate the blame for crime by dismissing the personal responsibility of the only person who is to blame - the perpetrator, and to apportion blame to the the victim. Strangely enough, this type of nonsense almost always comes from self styled “law and order” types who often complain about the raw deal victims get. Except when the crime is rape.

[maroonandwhite]

So when the guards advise women to be careful and not walk alone etc, thats a conversation about ‘personal responsibility’ (your paranthesis) thats out of line?

[Sidney]

@maroonandwhite

So when the guards advise women to be careful and not walk alone etc, thats a conversation about ‘personal responsibility’ (your paranthesis) thats out of line?

What is that to do with personal responsibility?

[maroonandwhite]

They advise people to be responsible for their own safety by being aware not to put themselves in dangerous situations. A big no no as far as you are concerned

[Sidney]

@maroonandwhite

They advise people to be responsible for their own safety by being aware not to put themselves in dangerous situations. A big no no as far as you are concerned

Being responsible for your own safety is by not doing things like, say, lying down in the path of an oncoming train, or by not drinking turpentine, or by not drink driving.

How can somebody be personally responsible for being the victim of a crime?