Tom Humphries thread

[flattythehurdler]

My take on it was that it was a general point about ladies not putting themselves in harms way, but I had, in truth, forgotten that the poor lass was allegedly set upon by a second man, which does indeed make his comments less excusable.
I still don’t think it was outright blaming the poor girl, but maybe it was.
I’d state clearly here that I wouldnt have said such a thing, though I’d agree with hook in that I’d be deeply upset if my daughter went back to a hotel room drunk, with a complete stranger. I’d be exactly worried that she was putting herself in harms way, same as I’d be upset if she walked back from the dart station on her own at night. Should she be able to? Absolutely. Should she? Probably not.

[Fran]

@Sidney

@flattythehurdler

The thing for me is, irrespective of the rights and wrongs, he chose to give a character reference, and had time to deliberate. He was satisfied at the time that it was the right thing to do. He is now claiming it was an error solely because public opinion has swung against him. This is what gets me. If he felt it was genuinely right, he should have stuck to that in the face of a few tabloids, giving his reasoning. He is just going with the prevailing wind here.

Cusack has done sod all wrong here and certainly done nothing to justify the witch hunt which will no doubt take place against him.

He has clearly given this statement because he knows he will be witch hunted and in the current media environment it’s difficult to swim against that.

Whether you like it or not, giving a character reference, such as to say that the perpetrator feels remorse for a crime, is a legitimate part of the justice system and it doesn’t imply that the person who files it doesn’t accept that the person they’re making it on behalf of has committed a crime. It’s quite obvious Cusack fully accepts Humphries has committed a serious crime and isn’t trying to stop him being put in prison.

Mick Galwey was entitled to give a character reference too, whether anybody liked it or not.

Humphries has committed a serious crime here but at least he’s prepared to do his time, unlike Eddie Halvey.

Of course hes entitled to give a character reference. Everyone is entitled to be a cunt

[artfoley]

@Sidney

There is currently no guilty verdict. There will be a retrial. Hook made his comments on the basis of the defendant being guilty

There was one acquittal and one retrial due

@Sidney

There is legitimate and fair criticism that can be aimed at Cusack re his judgement in giving the reference and whether it was appropriate in this case, however he has committed no crime whatsoever and has acted entirely within the law whether one agrees with what he did or not.

The problem is that social media has already vilified him and is basically treating him as an accessory to the crime, which is extremely unfair.

Also, given that unlike Walsh, he made no public comment about Humphries during the duration of the allegations, I’d tend to have a bit more sympathy for him.

Humphries’ articles stopped immediately when he was found out. His last article was March 19th, 2011, I think. The story came into the public domain on April 10th

I meant Cusack’s articles, allegedly written by TH.

The content of Cusack’s reference is problematic in that he lauded humphries for his GAA volunteering, which humphries used to gain access to the victim. It shows either a stunning lack of awareness of the case or a lack of empathy. It’s like a character for ted Bundy saying he was a great lad for giving women a lift.

If you want to give a character reference by all means do so, but at least be aware of the facts of the case which I don’t think Cusack has done and either stand over your words or don’t give it.

[horriblecunt]

@artfoley

It’s like a character reference for ted Bundy saying he was a great lad for giving women a lift.

[myboyblue]

Mallow News (MallowNews)

[Enrique]

You are the one making a connection between Hook and the Cusack/TH case where there is none. You are assuming some ‘logical’ follow on, logical in your head only. You are characterising it as victim blaming (again people disagree with that assertion), it is your assertion and then you are using it as a stick to beat posters who find Cusack’s reference abhorrent. Defending Cusack’s character reference with your mental gymnastics is bizarre here.

@Sidney

The irony is that had Cusack said publicly that “does the victim bear no blame?” or “what did she expect?”, he’d have had a load of people on this forum defending him for that.

No, he wouldn’t have anyone defending him. You have created this fantasy defense in your head.

@Sidney

We already know this because of what certain posters said over the last few weeks in relation to George Hook.

No, you don’t know this.

@Sidney

What Cusack has done here is not remotely comparable

He knowingly gave a reference to a man guilty of sexually grooming an underage kid, whom the defendant was acquainted with through the gaa, the sport Cusack lives and breathes. (We know it was within the law to do so, we get it). Hook made comments regarding the safety of women and a rape case, where it was disputed if they were victim blaming. He and others didn’t think it was victim blaming, he made it quite clear the alleged rapist was a disgusting individual in his opinion, but he has since rowed back and apologised for the remarks.

You seem to be saying Cusack’s actions and character ref are favourable compared to Hooks remarks?

It’s a strange moral compass you possess.

[mickee321]

my God that’s an all merciful clamping

[Tassotti]

is this fucking deviant still involved with Clare hurling? he needs to be ran out of the county if he is

[Tassotti]

they love their nonces down around East Cork

[artfoley]

@mickee321

my God that’s an all merciful clamping

It’s worse than that. It’s a bitch slapping

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[Gman]

Think you’ll find Sid that point was made on here at the time and was very much shot down. Trying to equate a 14 year old who was groomed to victim blaming as being similar to hooks comments is not at all the same

[Fagan_ODowd]

I see Tadgh Kennelly got in on the victim blaming act down in the AFL

[mickee321]

@Tassotti

they love their nonces down around East Cork

do guys condone riding underage fellas?
didnt yer man david norris try to use some comparison with greek mythology where it was deemed acceptable

[mick_jones]

Did you hear the piece? What a weird fucking accent

[Fagan_ODowd]

Very weird.

[dodgy_keeper]

@Fagan_ODowd

I see Tadgh Kennelly got in on the victim blaming act down in the AFL

Not seen this. What has he said now?

In fairness he doesn’t seem the sharpest. Probably the only man who ever lived who claims he was misquoted in his own autobiography.

[Matty_Hislop]

@dodgy_keeper

Probably the only man who ever lived who was claims he was misquoted in his own autobiography.

What happened there?

[Fagan_ODowd]

Some scandal about an AFL player who posted some revenge porn on social media. Tadgh suggested the girl shouldn’t have got into a situation where the picture could be taken.

[dodgy_keeper]

@Matty_Hislop

@dodgy_keeper

Probably the only man who ever lived who was claims he was misquoted in his own autobiography.

What happened there?

An All-Ireland final a few years back. Kerry v Cork. Ball was thrown in and he smacked a Cork lad straight in the head/face. Blatant red card. Got away without as much as a yellow card I think. (Was it Nicholas Murphy he hit, @gilgamboa @caoimhaoin ?)

Kerry went on to win and he fucked off back to Oz. Released an autobiography not long after where it said in the book something along the lines of “I wanted to make a statement from the start. I planned to hit him hard. Cop that.”

Bit of a hullabaloo after when it came out, he claims his ghost writer had misinterpreted what he was saying and it was never his intention to hit him or hurt anyone.

[Tassotti]

he should have the cork cunt harder