in fairness chocolate mice you may well be ball hopping but larsson was hardly a journey man…for fuck sake you will be comparing him to tony cottee or ade akinbiyi next…
[quote=“north county corncrake”]fowler is in the same stirking bracket as paul warhurst,marco gabbadani,kevin phillips & ian woan
a good season or 2 then into obscurity[/quote]
another stupid comparision…
[quote=“ChocolateMice”]Players like Larsson, Keane etc had to have a massive work rate to compensate for a lack of Natural talent that players like Fowler had.
Fowler didn’t have much to do in a game but when he did it it was out of this world… Ian Rush described him as the most natural finisher he had ever seen.
The standard of football in a Fledgling premier league is still a level above anything scotland has produced and where Larsson scored 220 of his 380 goals…so that leaves him with 160 real goals in a career stretching 15 years…but i forgot, as a Journeyman he won the CL, Prem(special aplication) and 2 La liga’s (32 appearances)…[/quote]
ian rush is slighlty biased & a little bit thick (italy is like a foreign country etc)
larssons has a better work rate than fowler- as well as that he was a better finisher,faster, a better header of the ball & a better link man
what was the other stupid comparison?
comparing leeds (average english club) to blackburn or everton or middlesborough or what ever middle of the road english team i compared
[quote=“north county corncrake”]ian rush is slighlty biased & a little bit thick (italy is like a foreign country etc)
larssons has a better work rate than fowler- as well as that he was a better finisher,faster, a better header of the ball & a better link man[/quote]
How would you know?? you never watch the epl!! did rock tell you??
[quote=“north county corncrake”]what was the other stupid comparison?
comparing leeds (average english club) to blackburn or everton or middlesborough or what ever middle of the road english team i compared[/quote]
wasn’t talking about you more so this thread in general i.e larsson a journeyman, fowler on a par with the players named above…
i saw him play badly for england & in europe,
how many goals did he score in europe? 15 - henrik probably did that in a season
oh right - i retract that statement & apologise
[quote=“north county corncrake”]i saw him play badly for england & in europe,
how many goals did he score in europe? 15 - henrik probably did that in a season[/quote]
Pele didn’t score too many in europe either, he was shite as well i suppose…
in fairness if fowler had gone up to celtic or the huns he would have scored a fair amount of goals as well…
pele didnt play in europe - jeez you dont know much about football - stick to the GGA
‘pele didnt play in europe’
exactly!!
Rock, I’m not comparing Fowler to Laarson but to suggest he is was a flash in the pan is laughable.
He scored 120 goals in 238 games in his first spell at Liverpool, over 30 goals in three consecutive seasons in the mid 90’s. He still holds the record for the fastest hat-trick in the premiership and he was voted PFA young player of the year for 2 censecutive seasons.
Unfortunately he didn’t fullfil his potential but as I said before this was due to injuries and moreso a bad attitude.
[quote=“ChocolateMice”]‘pele didnt play in europe’
exactly!![/quote]
fowler did, look at who he played for he played for one decent english team (a good cup team) and 3 or 4 average teams
larsson played for 4 top clubs - each one european cup winners in their history
[quote=“therock67”]i honestly find it utterly astonishing that anyone who has followed any of larssons career over the past decade could consider him in any way even broadly equitable with - never mind inferior to - fowler.
robbie fowler achieved nothing in the game. he loked great for a while in the way philips did or in the way dalian atkinson was unstoppable for a few months. suggesting that makes him anything near as good as swedens best ever striker is ridiculous.
forget what sky tell you about fowler and those often dragged out silly quotes about his finishing prowess in training. it’s utterly insulting to the great strikers like gerd muller or lineker to suggest that fowler was on a par in terms of finishing ability. he was a flash in the pan but the fans loved him so all is forgiven.
and the great liverpool fans didnt have much sympathy for owen when he was injured so bringinh up untimely injuries is just fanning the flames of misguided nostalgia. larsson suffered a horrific double leg break and came back better than ever.
larsson at his peak won it all apart from a world cup - though third place wasnt bad at all. fowler at his peak scored goals in a fledgling league dominated by englishmen who had achieved nothing of note.
and just to say that talking about larssons workrate as a virtue is a touch condescending.he worked his socks off the same as every other great player. what was truly majestic was his first touch and his heading ability. on skill level alone he was on another planet to fowler.[/quote]
Just lost a similar post to this due to a shit broadband connection in Wexford but you covered one of my main points. It’s being suggested by some that work ethic and longevity are the main reasons for Larsson being deemed stronger than Fowler. It strikes me as lavishing him with ridiculous faint/feint (never get the spelling of that one right) praise and implies he didn’t have the ability of someone like Fowler but made up for it through attitude and sheer hard work.
Have any of these people ever watched Larsson play?! Finishing quality, unnatural aerial prowess for a player of his size, vision, control and touch, cuteness and craft and strength combined with unbelievable character and mental strength. If Fowler had even half of those attributes his career might not have been effectively over by the time he was 27.
At Larsson’s peak he was winning European Golden Boots. Fowler couldn’t get into the England team during his 3-year golden period. Larsson’s excelled at domestic, European club and international level for a decade and a half and overcome two horrific leg breaks. Fowler’s barely kicked his arse since doing his cruciate knee ligaments 7 or 8 years ago.
Fowler’s main achievements are solely at domestic league level. Larsson was voted Sweden’s greatest ever player a couple of years ago, he’s scored more goals in European club competition than any other player for any other British club and has scored bucketloads of goals in domestic leagues over a far, far greater timespan than Fowler. He’s won leagues in different countries and a Champions League too.
BY any sane reasoning Larsson is streets ahead of a flash in the pan like Fowler. Talk about believing in the Sky Sports hype but despite that I’m flabbergasted that anyone would deem Fowler a better player. I’d compare Fowler to someone like Marco Di Vaoi in Italy - had a couple of excellent domestic goalscoring seasons but has a suspect temperament and reverted to mediocrity and has never achieved anything of note at European club or international level. Larsson, on the other hand, is one of the best strikers of his generation.
[quote=“Fran”]Rock, I’m not comparing Fowler to Laarson but to suggest he is was a flash in the pan is laughable.
He scored 120 goals in 238 games in his first spell at Liverpool, over 30 goals in three consecutive seasons in the mid 90’s. He still holds the record for the fastest hat-trick in the premiership and he was voted PFA young player of the year for 2 censecutive seasons.
Unfortunately he didn’t fullfil his potential but as I said before this was due to injuries and moreso a bad attitude.[/quote]
but not point telling the fundamentalists this fran next they will be saying that paul hartley is a million miles better than barry ferguson…
[quote=“Bandage”]Just lost a similar post to this due to a shit broadband connection in Wexford but you covered one of my main points. It’s being suggested by some that work ethic and longevity are the main reasons for Larsson being deemed stronger than Fowler. It strikes me as lavishing him with ridiculous faint/feint (never get the spelling of that one right) praise and implies he didn’t have the ability of someone like Fowler but made up for it through attitude and sheer hard work.
Have any of these people ever watched Larsson play?! Finishing quality, unnatural aerial prowess for a player of his size, vision, control and touch, cuteness and craft and strength combined with unbelievable character and mental strength. If Fowler had even half of those attributes his career might not have been effectively over by the time he was 27.
At Larsson’s peak he was winning European Golden Boots. Fowler couldn’t get into the England team during his 3-year golden period. Larsson’s excelled at domestic, European club and international level for a decade and a half and overcome two horrific leg breaks. Fowler’s barely kicked his arse since doing his cruciate knee ligaments 7 or 8 years ago.
Fowler’s main achievements are solely at domestic league level. Larsson was voted Sweden’s greatest ever player a couple of years ago, he’s scored more goals in European club competition than any other player for any other British club and has scored bucketloads of goals in domestic leagues over a far, far greater timespan than Fowler. He’s won leagues in different countries and a Champions League too.
BY any sane reasoning Larsson is streets ahead of a flash in the pan like Fowler. Talk about believing in the Sky Sports hype but despite that I’m flabbergasted that anyone would deem Fowler a better player. I’d compare Fowler to someone like Marco Di Vaoi in Italy - had a couple of excellent domestic goalscoring seasons but has a suspect temperament and reverted to mediocrity and has never achieved anything of note at European club or international level. Larsson, on the other hand, is one of the best strikers of his generation.[/quote]
you surprise me sometimes bandage- de vaoi is a very good comparison
i actually quite like bazza as a player- - was very impressed with his donation to the jinky charity & he is mates with lenny
as well
[quote=“north county corncrake”]fowler did, look at who he played for he played for one decent english team (a good cup team) and 3 or 4 average teams
larsson played for 4 top clubs - each one european cup winners in their history[/quote]
Ha, Liverpool have 5 of them Europen cups you are talking about… and Larsson scored no more than 12 goals in Europe in one season and that was in the uefa cup, the one he lost , the one fowler won ans scored in the final. A fucking gemof a goal too.
[quote=“north county corncrake”]i actually quite like bazza as a player- - was very impressed with his donation to the jinky charity & he is mates with lenny
as well[/quote]
asways rated him myself…shame he didnt really get a chance at blackburn think he bust his knee when he was down there and never really got a chance after that…always gives a good days honest graft…