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[artfoley]

@Cheasty

@glasagusban

He asked you a simple question and you responded with a big long diatribe and a question in response. That’s not “posting in good faith”. It’s real silly stuff.

You seem to have an endless need to post about US politics on here. Art is generally sound enough - apart from from his fear and misogyny towards younger women - so why when he engages with you can’t you reply to his simple question before carrying on with your big long single transferrable post that you’re going to carry on with anyway?

Here’s what he did. He decided to buy into the right wing witch hunt campaign by using a sexual assault by a male (for which the male was convicted) to demonise trans people.

What about my posts is inaccurate?

I post about US politics because it’s relevant to all of us that the most influential country in the world is genuinely threatened with descending into a fascist hellhole.

Do you agree with that or do you not?

And what is your point for posting here?

Read about what actually happened here.

Conservatives Wrongly Portrayed the Loudoun County Sexual Assault as a Transgender Bathroom Issue - Reason.com

Conservatives Wrongly Portrayed the Loudoun County Sexual Assault as a Transgender Bathroom Issue

The perpetrator did not target a random student, and he did not choose the girls bathroom because of his gender identity.

ROBBY SOAVE | 11.1.2021 10:11 AM

In June, a male student in a skirt reportedly assaulted a female classmate in a public school bathroom in Loudoun County, Virginia. It was a story that appeared to confirm the conservative media’s worst fears about how predatory men could theoretically take advantage of accommodations for transgender people in order to harm young girls, and it touched off a wave of protests—with the victim’s father, Scott Smith, at the center of them.

But it was substantially misreported in order to fit a conservative social agenda. Anyone on the right who makes a habit of complaining—often justifiably—about the mainstream media gullibly succumbing to viral stories that fit their priors ought to denounce this as well.

Smith, the father, was arrested for loudly protesting at a school board meeting on June 22. Cops bloodied him, placed him in handcuffs, and charged him with obstruction of justice and disorderly conduct. When it later emerged that Smith was angry with district officials because he thought they weren’t doing anything about his daughter’s rape, he became a conservative folk hero, and was interviewed repeatedly by right-leaning media. The Daily Wire led the charge, seizing on an opportunity to embarrass both the mainstream media and the federal government for portraying hostile parents as akin to “domestic terrorists.”

The Daily Wire 's interview with Smith portrayed the idea that the daughter’s assailant was “gender fluid” as central to the story. The implicit idea is that the perpetrator wore a skirt in order to gain access to the women’s bathroom at Stone Bridge High School and carry out the attack. Over the summer, Loudoun County approved a new policy making it easier for transgender individuals to use the bathroom of their choice, and thus a connection was established between this policy and what happened to Smith’s daughter.

That policy wasn’t actually implemented until August, it turns out. But even if the school had begun enforcing it before that, there’s no reason to think the assailant’s actions had anything to do with accommodations for trans people.

That’s because the assailant and the victim had a relationship, and had met in the bathroom for sexual activity previously. According to The Washington Post :

On Monday, the teenage victim of the Stone Bridge assault testified that she and her attacker had agreed to meet up in a school bathroom around 12:15 p.m. on the date of the assault. She testified they had not explicitly discussed having sex beforehand.

The teen testified she arrived first and chose to go in the girls’ bathroom because the two had always met in the girls’ bathrooms in the past. When the boy arrived, the teen testified, he came into the handicapped stall she was in and locked the door.

The two talked, before the girl testified the boy began grabbing her neck and other parts of her body in a sexual manner. She testified she told her attacker she was not in the mood for sex, but he forced himself on her.

“He flipped me over,” the girl testified. “I was on the ground and couldn’t move and he sexually assaulted me.”

The attacker was convicted of what certainly sounds like vicious and violent behavior. But he did not target a random student, and he did not choose the girls bathroom because of his gender identity.

“Obviously, the fact that the girl had previously had consensual sex with the male teenager does not mean that the May 28 incident was not a rape or that it should be treated more leniently,” wrote Cathy Young in a piece for Arc Digital. “But it does mean, at the very least, that the boy did not ambush a random girl after using his supposed ‘genderfluid’ status to enter the bathroom; he and the victim had been using it for prior sexual encounters.”

The Daily Wire 's reporting also gave readers the strong impression that the school was initially reluctant to involve law enforcement in the matter; journalist Jesse Singal obtained police dispatch logs that “strongly dispute” this notion.

None of this means that the matter was handled perfectly by school, police, or district officials—or that Smith’s fury was unjustified. But it does mean that conservatives shouldn’t hold up the Loudoun County sexual assault as a cautionary tale about the supposed dangers of letting trans students use women’s bathrooms. If anything, it’s a cautionary tale about credulously assuming the worst when it would be maximally politically convenient to do so.

i never mentioned trans, gender fluid or anything of the sort.

i was particular with my words. you now seem to be engaging in victim blaming. is there no depths you wont plumb?

ill aks you a simple question, should scott ziegler be sacked?

[Cheasty]

@artfoley

i never mentioned trans, gender fluid or anything of the sort.

i was particular with my words. you now seem to be engaging in victim blaming. is there no depths you wont plumb?

ill aks you a simple question, should scott ziegler be sacked?

You deliberately left out the real issue.

Just admit you were trying to demonise trans people by buying into a right-wing conspiracy.

What the fuck is some school superintendent to do with the Virginia governor’s election?

Not least given that Youngkin is an avowed supporter of a credibly alleged paedophile and serial rapist in Donald Trump?

And how did I victim blame?

Where exactly? Use quotes.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@artfoley

ill aks you a simple question, should scott ziegler be sacked?

Amazing a virtue signaller can’t address the question. It’s almost like his outrage is merely contrived and completely hollow.

[artfoley]

@Cheasty

You deliberately left out the real issue.

no, i deliberately left out the side issue. the real issue was sexual assaults covered up by ziegler

@Cheasty

Just admit you were trying to demonise trans people by buying into a right-wing conspiracy.

why would i admit to seomthing i didnt do

@Cheasty

What the fuck is some school superintendent to do with the Virginia governor’s election?

because it was a catalyst to education becoming the touchstone issue of the election and represented a swing of 15% from the democrats

@Cheasty

And how did I victim blame?

@Cheasty

The attacker was convicted of what certainly sounds like vicious and violent behavior. But he did not target a random student,

@Cheasty

“Obviously, the fact that the girl had previously had consensual sex with the male teenager does not mean that the May 28 incident was not a rape or that it should be treated more leniently,” wrote Cathy Young in a piece for Arc Digital. “But it does mean, at the very least, that the boy did not ambush a random girl after using his supposed ‘genderfluid’ status to enter the bathroom; he and the victim had been using it for prior sexual encounters.”

[Cheasty]

You’ve spent years defending the cover up of paedophiles within the IRA.

And you claim to be asexual.

Not dodgy a tall a tall.

[Cheasty]

@artfoley

why would i admit to seomthing i didnt do

But you did do it.

@artfoley

because it was a catalyst to education becoming the touchstone issue of the election and represented a swing of 15% from the democrats

Right-wingers portrayed a sexual assault by a boy on a girl as an anti-trans issue.

The issue was nothing to do with trans people.

You are now claiming it did.

And you’re also lying about me being a “victim blamer”.

You are the person that is deflecting blame off the perpetrator and onto trans people.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Some of you might remember a time gone by where Sid defended the IRA and SF handling of the Mairia Cahill affair.

I guess we can see that he treated rape allegations like football teams, it doesn’t depend on the allegation or the veracity of it, to him it depends on who it is being alleged against and whether he is supportive of them or not.

That’s the problem with virtue signalers, ultimately they turn out to be completely insincere and hollow about the things they go radio rental about. They can scream and shout about how righteous they are - we know it’s a lie.

[artfoley]

@Cheasty

But you did do it.

That’s an outright lie

@Cheasty

Right-wingers portrayed a sexual assault by a boy on a girl as an anti-trans issue.

The issue was nothing to do with trans people.

You are now claiming it did.

And you’re also lying about me being a “victim blamer”.

You are the person that is deflecting blame off the perpetrator and onto trans people

Right wingers may have done so but I didn’t and the audit trail clears me and damns you

[Cheasty]

By buying into the right-wing framing, you did.

[artfoley]

@Cheasty

By buying into the right-wing framing, you did.

but i didnt and the audit trail shows that, and shows that you attempted victim blaming

[Cheasty]

You’re lying again, Art.

[artfoley]

@Cheasty

You’re lying again, Art.

no im not, youre the one who introduced the trans/gender fluid thing, threw in the victims previous sexual history and id just like to add the point that the rapist has been convicted

[Cheasty]

Which you conveniently left out.

Lying by omission.

[artfoley]

@Cheasty

Which you conveniently left out.

Lying by omission.

au contraire, as you introduced it youre now lying by addition

[glasagusban]

He asked a simple question and you refused to respond to it.

You have an obsession with posting about this stuff and yet when someone engages with you you refuse to respond in good faith.

It seems that you prefer to trade big long repetitive diatribes with that racist weirdo labane over and over again. I honestly don’t get it at all.

I’ve no interest in reading your big long posts or or articles that you copy and paste up. My only point was, that if you want to go on and on about this stuff, why not reply to Art in good faith?

[Cheasty]

You deliberately omitted it.

May I point out that the point you claimed you added - that the boy had been convicted, was added by me.

[Cheasty]

You’re not responding in good faith here.

You’re trolling.

As has become your habit since the start of the pandemic.

[artfoley]

@Cheasty

You deliberately omitted it.

May I point out that the point you claimed you added - that the boy had been convicted, was added by me.

because the allegation of trans/gender fluid wasnt pertinent to scott ziegler covering up the rape. but you then sought fit to introduce the rape victims sexual history. weird

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Can we conclude from this that Sid supports rape if it is committed by parties or political ideology he supports? Seems to be the case when you look at his inability to respond to Art’s fair question.

[glasagusban]

What? You don’t actually engage with people that want to engage with you. You prefer to trade diatribes with the likes of labane. That’s your level.

If you want to discuss this stuff why not respond to art in good faith instead of launching off into another copy of your manifesto?

You don’t really want to engage, you want to rant. Like labane.