US Presidential Election 2020

[Tierneevin1979]

Bush, Cheney, Blair et al. should have been tried for war crimes.

[Tassotti]

what country will Bomber Biden target first do you think?

[Tierneevin1979]

Bomber Harris

[glenshane]

@Arthur

I genuinely haven’t a clue what points you were trying to make

But you said they were niche, contrarian, anti woke, anti liberal etc?

Here’s the nazi article btw, not that it’ll do you much good

Obama undermined press freedom. Now he wants a strong media to stop Trump? |...

[Tierneevin1979]

I think the bigger danger with the media is that governments can easily co-opt them to disseminate whatever narrative they want to pedal. Trump would have loved that but couldn’t as most of them were aligned against him since he got the nomination in 2016. Look at RTE and coverage of Covid, they are basically just shills for the government. The media should be a watchdog, not an arm of the government.

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Tierneevin1979

The counter argument on the dangerous cunt front is that on foreign policy he was far less of a dangerous cunt than his two predecessors. Bush and his cronies conducted a totally illegal war that cost the lives of over a million people. Obama continued with the insane regime change strategy, further destabilizing the region and destroying Libya. The growth of ISIS and all that entailed in terms of increased terror threat happened on his watch.

Trump started no new wars nor tried any new regime change adventures, ISIS was wiped out, and several Muslim majority countries have signed peace agreements with Israel. For all his flaws and there are many, I would give Trump a lot higher rating than Bush and Obama in terms of US led international mayhem.

In fairness I don’t think Trump can take much credit for wiping out ISIS, if indeed they have been wiped out rather than mutated.

[Tierneevin1979]

Have a look at the map of the territory ISIS controlled in early 2016 and what they control now and have a another think about it.

[Fagan_ODowd]

So can I take it that you agree that Trump can claim very little credit for wiping out ISIS - if wiped out they are?

[Lazarus]

President Obama defeated Isis

[balbec]

He turned his back on the Pacific and allowed Chy-na take over.

[Tierneevin1979]

The campaign against ISIS was started under Obama and escalated under Trump. In terms of credit I would give the lions share to the US military and their allies.

[Tierneevin1979]

@Lazarus

President Obama created Isis

Fixed that for you.

[Lazarus]

Obama was never big into impearlism

[Tierneevin1979]

Tell that to the population of Libya.

[Lazarus]

Hey population of Lybia, Obama was never big into impearilsm

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Tierneevin1979

The campaign against ISIS was started under Obama and escalated under Trump. In terms of credit I would give the lions share to the US military and their allies.

Would you? You mustn’t follow Middle Eastern affairs. I’d credit Russia mainly with ISis defeat then Iran.

[glenshane]

@Lazarus

Obama was never big into impearlism

Maybe he was into imperialism instead

[Tierneevin1979]

Well you would if you use RT as your source.

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Tierneevin1979

Well you would if you use RT as your source.

I’m sure you would and I’m sure you’d come to the same conclusion if you used any number of non US non Trumpist news media as your source as well.

[Lazarus]

@Tierneevin1979

Well you would if you use RT as your source.

As opposed to the lamestream media?