well this I dont get then, why all the fuss and anger over a complete and utter mickey mouse 13 a side tournament thing?
[QUOTE=âThe Big Cheese, post: 1089506, member: 1137â]@Julio Geordio
there is no special dispensation. Same rules that would apply if he was transferring to a Limerick club from Dublin[/QUOTE]
So this lepjack was looking to transfer to some Junior Club in Birmingham for a game?
Apologies @Gman for some reason there is an exemption for the New York board apparently*
*$$$$$$
So he wouldnât have been legal a day later?
Did he play in America this summer too?
because clubs have spent 10 months training and trying to build sustainable hurling clubs only to see a side that made little effort flying in ringers to steal a cup. It is a complete smack in the face to the rest of the competing teams and completely against the spirit of the association
indeed. but how is it then that these transfer can still happen legally? I dont think you are getting my point. Shore was caught on a technicality. These transfers under the current system can and do still happen. I had thought it was championship, so was mistaken in that. But if as you say they take these tournaments seriously, then why dont they the transfer system in place as seriously too? If Shore had got his application in a day earlier, then there would have been nothing illegal about what happened (as far as I know, correct me if I am wrong)
if it makes it any easier on you, I completely disagree with what Shore did, and I even more so disagree with what happens with lads who go to America, but the system as it currently is allows this to happen. But I am more against the fact that the rule is there and that clubs actively recruit. Players will obviously take the lure of a holiday or a few extra quid.
This was the first year of the competition. There were two aims for the competition - one was to provide a competition which the developing sides could aim to win and secondly tp provide meaningful games throughout the year. The only reason it was played as a shield as opposed to proper championship was so that some games could be played on an 11 or 13 a side basis so that the likes of Casements and Erin Go Bragh would be able to field every game. If it was championship every game would have to be 15 a side and the weaker clubs would have struggled to field a side in every game.
Casements then decided to use the fact that it was not championship to bring in ringers
[QUOTE=âThe Big Cheese, post: 1089539, member: 1137â]This was the first year of the competition. There were two aims for the competition - one was to provide a competition which the developing sides could aim to win and secondly tp provide meaningful games throughout the year. The only reason it was played as a shield as opposed to proper championship was so that some games could be played on an 11 or 13 a side basis so that the likes of Casements and Erin Go Bragh would be able to field every game. If it was championship every game would have to be 15 a side and the weaker clubs would have struggled to field a side in every game.
Casements then decided to use the fact that it was not championship to bring in ringers[/QUOTE]
Shore also would have to have made up an address in the county to get the transfer through.
No.He deserves a ban for stupidity if nothing else.The punishment is too severe however.If I had my way both clubs would also be in the dock.The English club for tapping up a player to win a junior b shield final and Parnells for just being Parnells.
Casements have had their Secretary and Chairman suspended for 48 weeks, were kicked out of the competition and have had a further 6 players suspended along with their imports. It is not a case that Shore is baring the brunt of this
PJ Nolan and Ben OâConnor are the latest players cut from the senior hurling squad according to The Wexford People.
Matthew OâHanlon is serving a 1-game suspension for Sundayâs league opener at home to Antrim. Itâs carried over from the red card he received when we exited the championship versus Limerick last July.
No new injury concerns apparently but Conor McDonald remains out.
Weâre a bit light on defensive options following Rossiterâs retirement and with Shore and OâHanlon suspended. Conor Devitt and PĂĄdraig Foley must be pushing for places there.
Team being named tomorrow night.
Your allowed get what is called a sanction for the states, a 60 day sanction which means you transfer to that club in the states for a minimum of 60 days and then you are allowed re transfer back to your original club I know In New York you can have wknd sanctions also
[QUOTE=âGman, post: 1089532, member: 112â]indeed. but how is it then that these transfer can still happen legally? I dont think you are getting my point. Shore was caught on a technicality. These transfers under the current system can and do still happen. I had thought it was championship, so was mistaken in that. But if as you say they take these tournaments seriously, then why dont they the transfer system in place as seriously too? If Shore had got his application in a day earlier, then there would have been nothing illegal about what happened (as far as I know, correct me if I am wrong)
if it makes it any easier on you, I completely disagree with what Shore did, and I even more so disagree with what happens with lads who go to America, but the system as it currently is allows this to happen. But I am more against the fact that the rule is there and that clubs actively recruit. Players will obviously take the lure of a holiday or a few extra quid.[/QUOTE]
How was Shore caught in a technicality? He was already after playing championship hurling in Dublin that year so you canât transfer to a club in another county in the same calendar year and also play in that counties competitions - no technicality at all just plain brain dead
You can play league in a county and then transfer to another club in a diff county in the same year as long as you havenât already played championship
Itâs no more against the âethos of the GAAâ than loads of stuff that goes on, he just got tripped up on a technicality. Flying lads in, as we both know, is an esteemed tradition. I donât like it any more than you do, but there are far greater breaches of the spirit of club competition that pass unmarked or are deemed acceptable as the iâs are dotted, and the tâs crossed.
Itâ is grossly disproportionate. One could even argue that having him play was indeed a great promotion of the game for casements in particular who have always fielded a heap of young local lads, blade lowering little fuckers that some of them are
[QUOTE=âSam Swarek, post: 1090432, member: 2293â]How was Shore caught in a technicality? He was already after playing championship hurling in Dublin that year so you canât transfer to a club in another county in the same calendar year and also play in that counties competitions - no technicality at all just plain brain dead
You can play league in a county and then transfer to another club in a diff county in the same year as long as you havenât already played championship[/QUOTE]
It wasnât championship he played in England. Read the thread back again.
Galway great Tony Keady says the GAA hierarchy must not repeat the mistakes of the past and has called on top officials to overturn Andrew Shoreâs 48-week ban.
The Wexford defender is currently faced with having to spend the majority of 2015 on the sidelines after being found guilty of playing illegally in the UK last October.
Former âHurler of the Yearâ Keady suffered a similar fate back in 1989 when he broke the rules by playing in the US and he subsequently missed out on the Tribesmenâs bid for three All-Irelands in-a-row.
âThe GAA havenât learned a thing, thatâs the truth,â Keady blasted when speaking to The Examiner.
âYou canât be handing 48-week bans to lads that are just trying to go out and play sport. Itâs as if the guy has committed a terrible crime. Itâs just not logical.
âI read recently of a player getting a couple of matches of a suspension for sectarian abuse. Then you have this poor lad in Wexford and theyâre throwing the book at him, putting him out of the game for a year.
âI know exactly what heâs going through and I feel awful sorry for him, for Liam Dunne and for Wexford. When you come up against these GAA committees and they stick their heels in, youâre right up against it.â
The current Galway U21 hurling selector wouldnât be surprised if Shore decided to pack in hurling.
âIt all depends now on what way he takes it. He might just say, âto hell with thisâ and hop on a plane to Australia. Thatâs the end of it then. Thatâs what theyâre risking when they dish out these huge bans.â
Great and sensible stuff from Tony Keady. Zealots like @The Big Cheese who resent a young lad going away for a weekend to play a game, help the diaspora and have a few pints sicken me.
your partitionist attitude sickens me.
[quote=âMac, post: 1090571â]The current Galway U21 hurling selector wouldnât be surprised if Shore decided to pack in hurling.
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Get him back kicking, a fine midfield partner he was for Donie Kingston back in the day.
Read my post again - I know it wasnât cship he played in UK but he was after playing cship already in Dublin and you canât play in another âcountyâ league / competitions or cship after you have played cship in the first county.
You can play league / competitions in a county and then transfer and play cship in another county but not the other way around.