I really really hope so, have him follow around one of there lads and just club him to death maybe…
Waters should have been tried at midfield in the league, as its the logical place to play him. Too risky now to put him in there against the best midfield pairing in the country. One thing is clear Guiney should be in the full forward line with McDonald.
I wasn’t at the quarter final in Cork but Waters was midfield in that game and apparently hurled well. Let him get involved in a bit of flaking with Michael Fennelly while David Redmond outplays Richie Hogan with Lee Chin mastering all he surveys behind them at centre back. Simples.
hmmmmm…
we’ll really need to exploit their full back line, i can’t see Cody deploying an extra man to mark McDonald as it would be tantamount to showing us respect…
Agree with Bandage we won’t set up like that v kk. Waters I feel will be in midfield marking fennelly and I can see ciaran Kenny starting half back to mark Wally Walsh.
There is no way I’d take chin out of 6, waters is not right and its too much of a risk.
Liam Ryan is a fantastic bit of stuff, great at attacking the ball and strong in the air. Happy to see Byrne hitting the frees didn’t miss too many either.
[QUOTE=“count of monte cristo, post: 1155933, member: 348”]hmmmmm…
we’ll really need to exploit their full back line, i can’t see Cody deploying an extra man to mark McDonald as it would be tantamount to showing us respect…[/QUOTE]
Agreed, but Wexford could beat Kilkenny!!!
Thought that Fanning’s puck outs were poor and seemed aimless.
It’s very easy blame the goalie when people aren’t competing for puck outs, but we have had problems with puck outs all year. I think it was the Laois game where the wex twitter nearly had a meltdown in relation to the amount of scores we conceded from our own puck out.
With players the height of Guiney and Waters in the half forward line it simply should be happening.
another infuriating issue re last Sunday was the ease in which we were willing to allow Westmeath use the short puck out as an option, we seemed about 5 yards off our men and even when the outfield player got possession the attempts to tackle and close him down were lackluster and halfhearted.
[QUOTE=“count of monte cristo, post: 1156116, member: 348”]It’s very easy blame the goalie when people aren’t competing for puck outs, but we have had problems with puck outs all year. I think it was the Laois game where the wex twitter nearly had a meltdown in relation to the amount of scores we conceded from our own puck out.
With players the height of Guiney and Waters in the half forward line it simply should be happening.
another infuriating issue re last Sunday was the ease in which we were willing to allow Westmeath use the short puck out as an option, we seemed about 5 yards off our men and even when the outfield player got possession the attempts to tackle and close him down were lackluster and halfhearted.[/QUOTE]
I was at the Laois game and, in fairness, their scores (and presumably what our twitter feed was annoyed about) were from Laois puck outs rather than us not competing on our own ones. I’ve seen a bit of Laois under Plunkett and their long range point scoring is very good (another 29-point haul against Offaly).
That particular day we dropped back in sync on their puck outs to have our midfielders in the half back line and half forward line in midfield, full forward line to half forward so that we’d have a heavy presence where a traditional long puck out would land.
Instead the Laois keeper was often able to drill a mid distance puck out through a narrow gap into our zonal type set up and some chap like Dunphy would catch, turn and point from midfield. Or else he’d work a short one to a free corner back and they’d pop a couple of neat stick passes up to midfield and pop it over from there.
I don’t really have a problem with teams dropping off on puck outs as it’s usually difficult to thread those mid range puck outs through to midfield. And a short one to someone in the full back line usually ends up with them launching it down to where a puck out would land anyway.
It’s when you allow either i) the keeper to find someone near midfield in space or ii) the corner back to receive a short puck out and easily work the ball forward that leaves you vulnerable. That’s where we were loose against Laois in the league.
[QUOTE=“Bandage, post: 1156126, member: 9”]I was at the Laois game and, in fairness, their scores (and presumably what our twitter feed was annoyed about) were from Laois puck outs rather than us not competing on our own ones. I’ve seen a bit of Laois under Plunkett and their long range point scoring is very good (another 29-point haul against Offaly).
That particular day we dropped back in sync on their puck outs to have our midfielders in the half back line and half forward line in midfield, full forward line to half forward so that we’d have a heavy presence where a traditional long puck out would land.
Instead the Laois keeper was often able to drill a mid distance puck out through a narrow gap into our zonal type set up and some chap like Dunphy would catch, turn and point from midfield. Or else he’d work a short one to a free corner back and they’d pop a couple of neat stick passes up to midfield and pop it over from there.
I don’t really have a problem with teams dropping off on puck outs as it’s usually difficult to thread those mid range puck outs through to midfield. And a short one to someone in the full back line usually ends up with them launching it down to where a puck out would land anyway.
It’s when you allow either i) the keeper to find someone near midfield in space or ii) the corner back to receive a short puck out and easily work the ball forward that leaves you vulnerable. That’s where we were loose against Laois in the league.[/QUOTE]
Fair point @Bandage. it is somewhat grating that we dont have a similar strategy. I cant recall the last time we scored 28 points either. Our long range has always been quite dismal.
Anyone going back to Mullingar this Sunday?
[QUOTE=“count of monte cristo, post: 1156129, member: 348”]Fair point @Bandage. it is somewhat grating that we dont have a similar strategy. I cant recall the last time we scored 28 points either. Our long range has always been quite dismal.
Anyone going back to Mullingar this Sunday?[/QUOTE]
Not sure about this Sunday. I’ll probably give it a miss as it’s only football.
You didn’t seem too impressed with our own puck outs? I’ve consistently felt that Niall Breen is the best keeper in Wexford but Fanning has performed well enough over the past year.
[QUOTE=“Bandage, post: 1156133, member: 9”]Not sure about this Sunday. I’ll probably give it a miss as it’s only football.
You didn’t seem too impressed with our own puck outs? I’ve consistently felt that Niall Breen is the best keeper in Wexford but Fanning has performed well enough over the past year.[/QUOTE]
I would prefer Breen in between the sticks also. My issue with the puck outs is that they are purely 50/50 there’s no space created or movement previous to the puck. It is like we just think " fuck it, lets make it their problem" But to not to completely contradict what i said earlier i felt the competition fro our players for the puck outs was poor.
can anyone explain to me the logic of Breen being considered the best keeper? I’ve seen little or no difference with him and Fanning, and its not as if Breen plays in goal for the Rocks either so it cant be based on club form. There has been clamouring for years to have Breen in goal, yet I’ve seen very little to see why this would be the case. Some of the idiots on hoganstand go mental over him not playing. It is like so many instances of a player getting a cult like following by not being picked and his reputation grows the less he is seen. I know Fanning may not be the best in the country or anything, but there is so little between him and Breen I dont see what difference a change would make.
pfft Hoganstand Gman - I didn’t think the likes of you would even lurk on that. Shame on you.
I think the only edge Breen has over Fanning is that his puck outs are better imo. Didntt realise he wasnt playing in goal for the Rocks. It is the hardest position to make a gain in. Fanning would have to make an awful fuck up for Breen to get in.
wouldnt be often, but worth a look the odd time to see if there are any nuggets of info to be found. few and far between, but can sometimes throw something up. it was actually you who alerted the place to me about 13 years ago!
Generally more assured, better under the high ball, crisper / more accurate puck outs would be the main things for me. Fanning has improved his shot stopping and stands up now (had that habit of sitting down / falling down backwards a few years ago) and has come on quite a bit in fairness to him.
Did Fanning not make a couple of fine saves on Sunday? And as already said, surely the keeper can’t take total blame for puckouts if players won’t make themselves available or get into space?
but is that based on a comparison of Breen and Fanning when they were both competing about 3 or 4 years ago? I was never fully convinced on either, and I wouldnt have seen much difference in them, I just dont really understand the persistent talk about how Breen is better when there is little or no evidence to prove that he is so much better that it would cause a change in the line up.
My opinion is based on the games they’ve both played in goal over the past few years. We conceded a goal direct from a long range free in a 1-point defeat to Limerick in March, Breen came in away to Laois for the next game, was faultless and was then left out again. As I say, I think he’s solid under the high ball and is a steady presence. All GAA players have to get up in the morning so I’m not going to list other goalkeeping errors - it’s just a strong personal personnel preference of mine.