That will be worthwhile. I remember having an argument with a teacher during their strike in the 00’s, she argues she was as qualified as a lecturer in UL and should be paid the same, I said she didn’t do the same job.
Anyway, the problem is a lot of the focus will end up on teachers with years in the bank, or at the top of the scale, or what their great pensions are, etc. I think the scale should be flattened out a bit.
New entrants shouldn’t be screwed like is currently happening to teachers and particularly gardai. And yes I know it is their colleagues that sold them out.
I’d agree with a lot of that. I’d also have a lot of sympathy for the younger staff - I think there has been some study showing that starting salary etc can have a huge impact on lifetime earnings because in most jobs your next salary is linked to your last one - on that basis those who entered the workforce over the last couple of years had very unlucky timing.
I think your point about temporary v’s permanent is well made too and there’s a big difference in that alone. Ironically, I think it’s because the benefits and job security are so good when you’re permanent that almost incentivises schools etc to put teachers on temporary contracts initially.
Hi @Nembo_Kid, I have little enough time to do much digging or check your sources now. But as I explained teachers salaries is how it has always been understood. This understanding is reinforced by the fact that teachers are free to pursue other employment during summer months.
It’s not surprising that the department would seek to save money by not paying temporary teachers for the summer period, or teachers who don’t return in September etc.
The taxes of the private sector? General taxation mate. Vat on everything you buy at 23per cent. Property tax. Road tax. Fuck off with your funded by private sector tax.
I think the government made a mistake in prioritising pay restoration over ending unequal pay. Unequal pay is the bigger injustice, and there is broad public support for new entrant gardai and teachers. If unequal pay was ended and all other increments remained frozen there would be little support and hence appetite for industrial action, IMO.
Bollox. You’ve a weird sense of entitlement because you think you pay their wages. You don’t.
I’d a fair discussion with @tallback (I think) about this last week so I’m not mad to get back into it but… Nothing finite about it. It can be expanded up and down depending on government policy. Personally I’d like to see the government keep a relatively tough line with the Asti but to apply those standards equally to big Insurance companies /developers/fdi etc. That would drive down cost of living. Teachers like anyone else have a right to a union and to fight for better pay and conditions. It’s sad you’re seething at them Just because they won’t suck corporate cock like yourself. Although I’m sure you’ll be pissing and whinging about it to you’re gelding private sector pals over your egg-stuffed pepper tonight.
In terms of Gov taxation Rev of €46 Billion last year:
40% was income tax. Considering there are about 2million at work and 300,000 public servants (i.e. 15% of workforce) in a rough estimate 34% of Gov Rev came from private sector workers Income Tax
15% was corporation tax. Clearly this all comes from private sector
38% was Vat and Excise. Again, if 85% of workers are private sector then a substantial portion of this will come from them. However, allowing for non-workers (pensioners/unemployed etc) if we say 70% of this is due to private sector then in a rough estimate 27% of Gov Rev came from private sector workers Vat & Excise
Of the remaining 7% (i.e. Cap gains, etc etc) lets say only 1/2 came from private sector which is a pretty conservative estimated then 3.5% of Gov Rev came from private sectors "Other Taxes"
Totting that up would suggest that the private sector and employees provided about 80% of government taxation revenue last year. Clearly a rough estimate but prob not too far from the truth. So clearly its not all - but it’s pretty much the lions share. These will be the tax payers doing any heavy lifting in terms of “restoration” or “equality” etc.
To address @Horsebox point - of course we are still borrowing as well on top of all of this …
Couldn’t agree more or at least significantly tilt the available resources towards equality. I’m not against money going back towards public servants - I just think it needs to be done proportionately and address the areas of most need first.
I shouldn’t have used the term private sector taxes because that gives you the in for “fuck off with your paying our wages shit” argument which I agree is a load of nonsense. The point I was arguing with glas was his use of the “well why don’t you go become a teacher so” argument which is bullshit. You follow that line of thinking and nobody can ever have a problem with any level of pay a public servant gets because “why don’t you go and become a TD so”.
Of course it’s a finite resource or at least it should be. Why not pay them €250k a year shur. Just expand it with government policy shur nobody has to ever pay it back.
