Definitely makes sense.
Appointing someone principal due to years of service which was the old way of doing it was bollocks.
Fucking idiots. A cull is needed badly.
Are you talking about tfk or teachers?
Here, kev, you accidentally logged in as chocolate mice.
In fairness €40k is not great wedge. What house can you buy on 3.5 times that salary??? As an aside what is a Garda on? Imagine being in that poxy job! Christ… The only good thing is the pension, or if a teacher and you fancy trebling your salary + your old gross wages in tax free expenses by taking 6 months off to run for election knowing that if you don’t get in you just head back to your old job…nice.
Anyway as for teachers, I’d like my wee bhoy to be taught by the best teachers, (enrolled this week for as gaeilge school…he’s a year old and we joined the list of 12…mad)…anyway if that means paying them well, do it. Undervaluing teachers and having idiots going into the profession can only be bad for “the kids”.
Problem is, there are shit teachers with shit teaching methods or who just can’t teach. If a secondary teacher consistently teaches kids and they get bad results or primary/secondary teachers inherit kids who are not at the standard they should be, then that failing teacher should be investigated or fucked out!
That said, I’m also sure kids react or learn from different methods too. 25 kids aren’t all going to learn the same from one teacher, notwithstanding their ability. One kid needs a good kick up the hole, one needs a hug type shit.
Teaching I’d say is unbelievably hard and stressful. The good ones care (I’d say) like any other profession. The good ones should be valued, like nurses who look after your sick parents, kids etc…again I’m sure there’s shit ones.
Do you under value all teachers cos a few are shit…no.
Seriously would most people be able to teach kids?? they are like farts…you can barely just handle your own.
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He forgets I went to college in Mary I…
40k outside Dublin or Cork is fine.
It’s not astonishing money but given secondary school teachers have 18 weeks off a year it is pretty good. As I said between tax free grinds, supervision, leaving cert supervision, correcting leaving cert scripts (they’re paid between 5 -32 euro per correction, some teachers get to mark up to 300 scripts http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/after-the-leaving-cert-what-happens-to-your-exam-scripts-1.2312506), after school coaching, summer camps…the opportunities are big to make extra money and still have far more holidays than anyone else. Two teachers married to each other would have a very comfortable life.
It goes up to 60k as well by the end, that’s before you inevitably decide if you want to become a principal or vice principal.
The thing about you going on about the best teachers is that they won’t be. It’s part of the deal, the best ones take less so the shit ones can carry on.
It’s also hard to see how you could reliably measure performance of a teacher. Schools in south Dublin like Muckross are “free” schools but still get ridiculous results because they’re located in Dublin 4 where education is highly valued and there is a long term culture of achievement. What about deprived areas where none of the parents went beyond their junior cert? What about the teacher who teaches the lowest pass maths class in a school but gets them all great results for their level of ability. Shit teachers will always be able to hide in the system and the pay will never be meritocratic.
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40k for the equivelent of 770 a week gross for 34 weeks work.
Tbh its not great depending on where youre teaching.
40k for a part time job is grand
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Are you dense? It’s not based on how many honours you get in Applied Maths in Blackrock College compared to the North Strand tech. It’s based on what should be achieved within the schools or sectors.
That is exactly the point I just made. 
That is very difficult to measure fairly.
112 replies so far and barely one has properly addressed the question.
Maybe it is a stressful job, maybe it isn’t.
Maybe they do not get paid enough in the first place, maybe they do.
Maybe it’s not fair how much they get paid in comparison to other professions, maybe it is.
I’ll start another thread to address these less important issues if needs be. But for this one, it would be lovely to get some meaningful discussion on the question, as it was originally asked.
Why do teachers get payrises?
Meas.
With a bit of luck, yeah. 'Tis what always gets us through the winter.
Experience I presume.
Because it’s in their contracts.
Thank you. But next time, try further your logic. For example:
Q: Why did she slip on the ice?
A: Because ice is slippy.
… does not really contribute.
Hoping I don’t need to do this many more times. Quite discouraging.
Probably because she’s a clumsy bitch with a fat arse.
I don’t understand your answer.
How does experience make them worthy of increased pay? Ie, how does the payer benefit from this experience?
Not sure if serious? Sure everyone would be on starting wages for life otherwise.
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