You Are Not Stuck In Covid, You Are Covid Part 6 of infinite

[artfoley]

@Cheasty

Can an edit 28 minutes later be a “ninja edit”?

Like Phil the Greek doing karate.

no bang of deranged there at all, no siree

Again, the question is can you point me to the provision in the constitution where the govt are bound by NPHET advice

[glasagusban]

I’ve explained why the government took its decision. You’ve ignored that and repeated your odd and illogical rant over and over again.

Why don’t you respond to the post where I gave you the reasons for the decision? You asked for them.

[glasagusban]

How does it benefit society for him to not snort ketamine?

Seamus O’Reilly has become a successful author on the back of snorting ketamine.

Another bizarre and illogical position you’ve assumed.

[Bandage]

Coming in cold to this thread today, I think @Cheasty is winning this debate with ease.

[Heyyoubehindthebushes]

In any job you ate specified about not speaking about the “company” in public and to ensure to inform anybody you are not an official spokes person and to go through offical channels. I don’t see why civil servants would be any different on this. Public criticism of your employer can and should have reprimands

[Cheasty]

You haven’t explained anything.

I laid the only two possible scenarios as regards the Government and NPHET.

You have avoided saying which one you think it is.

You said you wanted transparency.

Now you don’t.

That is the kernel of the total dishonesty and bullshitting of OIUTF.

You do a complete 180 in your views about transparency based on what you want and think nobody will notice.

You want transparency if it looks like NPHET are going to get their way, you want no transparency if it looks like the Government/business lobbies will get their way at the expense of public health.

Pure football fan stuff.

[Cheasty]

@glasagusban

How does it benefit society for him to not snort ketamine?

Seamus O’Reilly has become a successful author on the back of snorting ketamine.

Another bizarre and illogical position you’ve assumed.

That’s great for Seamus and much happy ketamine snorting to him, but it sure ain’t doing Tankie any good.

Although I do agree with him when he says the unvaccinated should be dragged out and have their heads kicked off very hard brick walls.

[Tassotti]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy needs to reassert his authority on the proceedings

[Juhniallio]

@Cheasty

@Juhniallio

I don’t think they are.
They are perfectly complementary. I hold that position. It is very important that their meetings are recorded and reasoning open to challenge and examination. They have been hand-picked for their supposed expertise but have no accountability. We need to know exactly what was said and by whom.
I am pro muzzling them because messaging is so so important on this. They are an advisory body. They should advise the government and the government should make the decision. If you get 2/3/5 members of nephet doing their own opinions on chat/news shows whenever they feel like it, it completely muddies the water. If one of their recommendations isn’t taken by the government they should keep their mouths shut. They don’t make any decisions nor should they. If they want to make shit up about car parks or flying into Ireland they should keep their mouths shut. Let the government communicate. They have enough problems doing that without fucking up.

You say we need to know exactly what was said and by who and yet you say we need to muzzle them.

**By your own logic knowing exactly what was said and by who “would muddy the water”. **

But that’s anti-transparency.

And right now the clear modus operandi is to be as non-transparent as possible. But transparency would likely demolish the rationale for what the Government are doing.

Muddying the water as regards the rationale for what is plainly shit current policy is what we should want. It’s called challenging it. It’s called democracy.

If you want shit policy to go unchallenged, just say it up front.

No. You are wrong. That’s not my logic, nor my ĺposition. We need to know who said what, during nephet meetings. It should be noted documented and as @batigol said, they should be fucked out by the dept Health if they are shit at it or acting the bollox. But nephet meetings are not public policy.
And the members of nephet have no remit to dictate policy. So they should have no right to speak to anyone publicly about what should happen.* Let the government communicate it’s strategy to the people. Simple.

*I have no problem with Big Tony doing a desert island discs, or even just answering some questions about cervical check etc.

[carryharry]

What’s the latest lads?

[Cheasty]

@Juhniallio

No. You are wrong.

“You are wrong”.

FFS sake.

@Juhniallio

That’s not my logic, nor my ĺposition. We need to know who said what, during nephet meetings. It should be noted documented and as @batigol said, they should be fucked out by the dept Health if they are shit at it or acting the bollox. But nephet meetings are not public policy.
And the members of nephet have no remit to dictate policy. So they should have no right to speak to anyone publicly about what should happen.* Let the government communicate it’s strategy to the people. Simple.

*I have no problem with Big Tony doing a desert island discs, or even just answering some questions about cervical check etc.

NPHET are supposedly the experts. Now I think they’ve gotten plenty of things wrong, but I’d sure trust them a damn sight more than I’d trust a Government, none of whom have any expertise whatsoever in public health or virology or immunology or anything else relevant, and which is pure fodder for business lobby groups who haven’t a bull’s notion about public health.

The question is: Are the Government rejecting their advice? And if so, why?

If they are taking their advice, why muzzle NPHET?

We know what “acting the bollox” means in OIUTF parlance. It means saying anything the OIUTFers don’t like.

The fucking snowflakes.

[Juhniallio]

What’s wrong with telling you that you are wrong when you are talking about ‘my logic’? It’s quite clear really.

[Cheasty]

OK. You are wrong. End of, etc., etc.

Cc: of @caoimhaoin.

[tazdedub]

Those poxy HSE ads that are on the radio are a pile of wank. Thanks for not coming to the party, it was a great night. What a wanker.

[Cheasty]

@tazdedub

Those poxy HSE ads that are on the radio are a pile of wank. Thanks for not coming to the party, it was a great night. What a wanker.

To be fair that ad is very realistic in that it’s exactly the sort of thing you’d say to a load of posters here.

Both in Covid times and particularly non-Covid times.

[Juhniallio]

With regards to your other question, why would the government disregard nephets advice. There are plenty of reasons. Chiefly, that they are trying(you would hope) to do what’s best for the country.
Restrictions need public buy in to remain effective. Severe restrictions will be ignored by many. They are trying to hit the sweetspot of restrictions and compliance. They also have to factor in how many people they will fuck over with these restrictions and the social and financial impact. And they are also, every one of them, at all times thinking about the political side effects for themselves.

[artfoley]

@tazdedub

Those poxy HSE ads that are on the radio are a pile of wank. Thanks for not coming to the party, it was a great night. What a wanker.

“dear sid, thanks for not logging on yesterday. the lads had some great debates about covid policy and there was some laughs as well. anyway, get well soon and thanks for staying offline. from the boys at TFK”

[TheUlteriorMotive]

Looks like they will try and stop people going out by changing isolation rules for close contacts. It’ll probably work for enough people to keep them happy.

[Cheasty]

@Juhniallio

With regards to your other question, why would we disregard nephets advice. There are plenty of reasons. Chiefly, that they are trying(you would hope) to do what’s best for the country.

If you refer to NPHET I think they have largely tried to do what is best for the country. That said I think their advice has been inadequate on a whole host of occasions during the pandemic.

If you’re referring to the Government, well, who knows, you’d hope they thought they were doing their best for the country.

But the point is, they are fucking clueless. They haven’t a rashers what they are doing. I’m sure Frank Lampard thought he was dong his best for Chelsea when he was manager. I’m sure Ole Gunnar Solskjaer thought he was doing his best for Manchester United. But they hadn’t a rashers.

You’d be as well off to put @Tassotti in charge, you’d get about the same amount of expertise.

Time and again, the Government asserting their “authority” has worked out disastrously. This Government setting public health policy is like expecting Ali Dia to be a top striker at Premier League level.

@Juhniallio

Restrictions need public buy in to remain effective. Severe restrictions will be ignored by many. They are trying to hit the sweetspot of restrictions and compliance. They also have to factor in how many people they will fuck over with these restrictions and the social and financial impact. And they are also, every one of them, at all times thinking about the political side effects for themselves.

Restrictions will have public buy in. Why? Because the public have no other choice. Restrictions are largely based on whether businesses and other places where people mix are open or not. And if they’re not open, they’re not open.

End of.

And there is always some lack of compliance built in. People breaking the spirit or the rules of lockdown are always amplified way beyond their real frequency. That’s the world we live in now because of social media.

You cannot take chances with something like Omicron. To think you can push the buttons and come up with a “sweet spot” of restrictions is unbelievably deluded and hubristic. That’s what we’re set on. Repeating the same mistakes, except worse. And it is grossly irresponsible. This country should have been locked down a week ago.

The “adults in the room” are in fact giant fucking babies.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

NPHET have done what is best for NPHET.

Their Covid tunnel vision has had huge and what will turn out be severe and stark lasting consequences for just about every sector of society.

Govt and NPHET have passed the buck at every opportunity when it has came to managing this crisis. When you have high ranking HSE officials at the helm of NPHET then what would you expect other than a lack of accountability?

Holohan should be in court on a civil action over his negligence in the Cervical smear scandal.