The major shift in approach is here where the aim is no longer to stop the spread. Weâve known for a while that we canât get rid of covid completely, zero covid is impossible as Iâve always said. The end game is it becomes endemic but is no longer a huge threat.
We can pivot from trying to stop spread if people are not getting severely ill. Getting vaccines and boosters mean people are pretty much safe from serious illness and death, and so the health service is protected from being overwhelmed by these people.
Therefore, if people are vaccinated and boosted they donât need to isolate, restrict movements, they can circulate in bars, they can enjoy hospitality etc. Basically, we are approaching a point where the vast majority of society can return to normal and get on with life.
And @glasagusban wanted to punish out any non-sheep who didnât think the vaccine served much purpose if fit and healthy. My, my doesnât he look like a prize chump, absolutely raging too at being exposed as a dullard.
Based on omicron so far there is very little people needing hospital care with or without the vaccine. The overall effect of the vaccine on serious illness vs omicron are yet to be confirmed but it is significantly lower than delta. The vaccine the work very well on those metrics vs delta.
Why are we basing restrictions on people who havenât taken the vaccine or booster against a variant it is ineffective against. Remove restrictions for all. Let people get the vaccine on a voluntary basis, as we are continually told is the process and not discriminate against people who decide not to. Not all people who donât want to take the vaccine are loons (I accept the loudest are). The same arguement can be made about the annual flu jab and we donât do it for that (yet).
The vaccines are extremely effective at preventing serious illness and death. If we didnât have a high vaccination level our hospitals would be overrun and bodies would be piling up.
We still have 6% of the population taking up more than half of ICU capacity. Hopefully we eventually get to a stage where we can remove restrictions for all. But it obviously makes sense to remove restrictions for people who arenât at risk of serious illness or death first.
I honestly donât get what youâre complaining about. Rules are being massively relaxed. This is good. Controlling spread is now less important. That is a huge shift. This is the beginning of the end of it. We are approaching the stage where we return to normal, at least for the vast majority of society, this is to be welcomed.
Vaccinated or unvaccinated. Fit and healthy people under the age of 50 have minimal risk of serious illness or death from Covid. So you effectively championing the vaccine for negligible benefits in the fit and healthy cohorts. Youâre a fucking weapon, a fascist one at that.
The vaccine is effective against alpha and delta and not omicron
On the people in ICU how many are unable to take the vaccine? Do they have other issues that prevented them from taking the vaccine? What variant did they catch that put them into ICU? A breakdown of the non vaccinated in ICU would be helpful to show how many just didnât take the vaccine were perfectly healthy and covid put them there.
Relaxing the rules should be universal and not tied to vaccine status.
Your first point is wrong, vaccines are extremely effective against serious illness and death for all variants. Itâs irrelevant what variant people are ill with in ICU.
Why should relaxing the rules be universal? If it is safe to allow vaccinated people return to normal then let them do so. Why keep restrictions on people where they are not needed? Do you want a a return to normal? If so, this is the beginning of it. Itâs a huge shift in approach and itâs the beginning of the end.
Maybe youâd prefer wait around and keep everyone restricted until covid disappears but Iâd prefer normality return as far as itâs possible and as far as itâs safe. Thatâs whatâs happening.
Hopefully we progress towards no restrictions at all for anyone at some point in the future but that canât be guaranteed. We just need to get on with it now.
Big Tony conveniently had the information to hand when he was able to state only 5% werenât being âmanagedâ due to Covid, at odds with international evidence unless the careful wording is broader than including incidental admissions.
Repeating the same lie over and over again doesnât change the fact that you are a nasty little fascist who deals in misinformation and discrimination.
First point I know people who had the booster and still got fairly sick from omicron, not hospitalised but probably wouldnât have been in hospital regardless as they are healthy people. You can also put down omicron is milder than delta too hard to say.
Relaxing rules should be universal, we are not stopping spread, itâs arguable that the vaccine stops illness with omicron, its arguable on the effect of omicron on hospital numbers alone along with the other factors that have been questioned throughout the whole pandemic, Co morbidity, age etc. So what the difference between 6% of people not having the vaccine or not or a larger percentage without booster. Excluding people from society isnât a solution. You only make the loud loons louder and give them tinder by marginalising them. Do you think itâs really going to change their mind as point?
You know my position on restrictions, there should have been no restrictions after May 2020 but everyone went along as 2 more weeks etc etc while they move the goalposts. Do you think this will change? The state (and not just ireland) is intruding on the individual far too much for too long. The fact the health minister can make decisions based on rolling emergency powers is wrong on sp many levels, let alone thr health minister is a fucking moron. Getting on with it now as you say, while still restrictions people is not the way out until we are all on the same level, same rights and ability to make our own decisions instead of thinking is this allowed? Do I need papers to do this? Lift all restrictions let people make the decision to do whatever they like based on their own risk. Also allow businesses allow people in by their own decision eg. Mask wearing, covid certs etc if they want. They still have the right to refusal.
You know people who had the booster and still got sick. What does that prove? The square root of fuck all? Or that they would have been more sick if they hadnât had it?
Iâve already said to you that the shift in rules shows that stopping spread is not longer the primary aim. So yes, youâre right we are not stopping spread. We donât need to, because vaccines mean people are not getting seriously ill and dying (for the most part). This is a huge change. You need to get your head around this. Itâs good news, itâs the beginning of open it up to fuck.
You may be right people who havenât taken vaccines wonât be persuaded to change their minds. Maybe they will to assist their holidays or whatever eventually but it doesnât matter. The point isnât to persuade them. The point is to get the vastajority of people back to living normally.
Vaccinated and boosted people can get back to living normally because we can be confident they wonât get seriously ill. We donât need to worry about the virus spreading and reaching them because they are protected. So let them at it.
Maybe after the current wave peaks and passes we will have enough health capacity to remove all restrictions for everyone. Until then there are limits on 6% of people because of their burden on the health service. Why should that bother anyone? Theyâve made their choice let them live with it. I donât give a fuck about them anyway, Iâll be going to pubs and clubs and matches and concerts again very soon and Iâm looking forward to it. This is it. Weâre approaching the end. Iâm delighted about that.
Exactly my point whats the point of differing advice for different vaccine status?
The shift in rules from stop spread to stopping illness is in the right direction but why are we so worried about the 6% who have no vaccine? We both agree they wonât take it. Whatâs Whatâs difference between someone with 2 vaccines or 3? There is enough protection in the population at this stage
Itâs better than none but whatâs the point of getting a booster? If someone is high risk and donât get it fuck em their own choice. We all know the health service is a pile of shit for the last 30 years, so instead of targeting people that arenât vaxxed target the prices in the dail and hse on massive money.
Can you get on with your life without giving a shit about those folks? I can anyway but have no problem wedged next them at a bar before a big match, their problem not mine.
Holohans prediction that half a million got omicron last week, may be correct, actually seems like a reasonable estimate considering nphets track record with numbers. Based on that 30k unvaxed got covid last week and there is no surge and I donât predict a massive one either in hospital. 50-100 people isnât a surge in comparison.
So whatâs the point of restrictions and vaccine passes? Fuck all. Leave the unvaxed live woth the risk and fuck em
