Must be the worst in Europe?
Do Florida and Texas there while youâre at it?
Texas 3,100, Florida 3,800. Florida obviously have an older population so understandably higher which makes the decision to let it rip all the more bizarre.
They the two worst in the US?
Correct, that would be the obviousthing to doâŚelsewhere he breaks it down monthly. Recently he points out that they have dropped to 7%. Do you object to the 10% drop from the non-existent 17%?
Ah look, I have no personal gripe with you, although I very much object to any expressions of support for Gemma OâDoherty. But I just think you are higgling piggling, once again, around the core issue. 17%⌠10%⌠Sideshow. The truth of the matter is that you believe the Covid vaccines are killing people by causing myocarditis. So does Campbell â if in a more cynical way, in my view.
I can find no evidence to this end in the writing of expert people in this area. So I naturally disagree. Nor am I prey to believing in conspiracies. Most of life is people screwing up via venality and/or incompetence.
I read up when reading up is required. The Covid vaccines are extremely young, obviously, but I can find no evidence to believe they are doing significant harm and can observe them doing much good. Although a mere layman, I think I can absorb the relevant information. No vaccine is black and white 100% perfect but diluting the viral load of infection was a gamechanger. Saying the vaccines do not work is rubbish, akin to those witty types who thought they were being clever in saying: âHow does the virus know youâve had pizza?â Those people were either too dim or too heedless to see the logic, the nudge theory.
The more difficult problem, in my view, is not medical. The more difficult problem is mandating vaccines, which remains a significant issue for civil liberties. I think the Irish and British governments got this matter, on balance, mostly right. No one should be able to compel other individuals to take a risk simply by proximity. Like anyone else, I am entitled to want to decrease my risk of catching Covid by knowing in advance the nature of the environment I enter. A public house, for instance, carries that adjective for a reason. By entering a public house, you are implicitly agreeing to behave in a way more constrained than when back in a private dwelling. Agreeing implicitly not to take off your clothes, say. Or not in the public houses I frequent, anyhowâŚ
Jonathan Croftonâs legal argument stands watertight, in my view. But I accept various people, far from the ilk of Gemma OâDoherty and John Waters, have reasonable perspectives for disagreement with it and with me.
Covid is over, thankfully, for the most part, bar the appearance of some turbo variant. We all need to move on. If the vaccines are causing myocarditis, this factor will become plain in the near future. End of day, Covid is merely a symptom of a much larger and probably intractable problem, global humankindâs relationship to the natural world. I have no answers.
This is puerile nonsense. Youâre better than this.
Right wing people grasping at Sweden as an alibi for sitting on their hands about Covid is one of the 21st centuryâs most bizarre political phenomena. The figures you quote are the âstatsâ. But they are not the whole story. Even if the numbers had turned out far better for Sweden, this swerve would still not have made even the remotest case for the zero lockdown zealots.
Some people dealt wonderfully with Covid without needing to get vaccinated because family circumstances and (removed) geographical location allowed them latitude. Fairest of play to those people. But what about people living in London or in Dublin or whatever conurbation? Best will in the world, the more creative solutions cannot be scaled up for urban life, leaving lockdowns, during the crisis, inevitable.
No, the gloss is not puerile â in my considered opinion. Campbell comes across as a huckster. If he is not, why all the âwink winkâ stuff? Campbell strives to create an âus and themâ distraction, same as a pickpocketâs accomplice provides the jostle, the distraction.
Fire up the post there. You rely on gemma far too much
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Hick states were the worst performers. Mississippi Tennessee, Alabama etc. All over 4000 per million. Florida were just below 4,000. Texas just over 3,000.
Best performing state after Hawaii was Vermont who had restrictions/masks and high vaccine take up. Three times less fatalities than Florida. Thereâs a pattern to places that performed better in terms of fatalities. Restrictions and vaccinations. You can cherry pick certain anamolies and compare apples to oranges to cement your âpositionâ but I guess thatâs what contrarianâs do.
Indeed you can cherry pick who you compare Sweden to, for example.
Texas below âhickâ states such as Illinois, New York, Rhode Island and Connecticut too
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Whatâs the comparison between numbers in hospital and ICU on December 1st this year say and the two covid years?
The vaccine is killing people.
Have you seriously just brought up New York in support of your argument that there should never have been a lockdown?
Ah youâre muddying the waters
Texas had 3,100 deaths per 1 million of population. Not really a shining beacon for âlet it ripâ. There was carnage all over the states because of federal inaction. To say that restrictions, masks and vaccinations had minimal impact on Covid is just denying reality. You came on here one time and said we had the same death rate as the UK.
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There would be 200 less deaths a week now if there had been no lockdown? Even if this were true, what would have happened the NHS had they just let it rip? Bonkers thinking.
Shur it was only transmission that saved us⌠The virus mutated. Lockdowns did nothing. The vaccine saved some elderly and vulnerable. Letting the virus run though the rest of the population is what ended it. You probably still believe the vaccine stopped transmission 
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Youâre addicted to lies. Its very unedifying.
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