All Ireland Hurling Championship 2022

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Hard luck auld stock. Just one of those days where it all goes to shit. We’ve all suffered through one of them. Ye brought none of the fire and brimstone we saw all year. Conlons loss and the timing of it was a disaster for ye.

Tactics were all wrong, lorrying ball onto the KK backs heads in the first half, I don’t know was that supposed to happen or what. But it was never going to work. They lapped it up. They cleaned yer forwards really.

Then they couldn’t miss and ye couldn’t score to save yer lives.

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Cork have no men.

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Cork are lucky galway bate them. The fear of green is real. A big mental block. Probably didnt get enough of a bating in last years final

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It’s probably a blessing in disguise alright, though it would have been brilliant to see if there was real improvement, you’ll only be able to judge that against the best.

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Need to keep the siege mentality ahead of the next match.

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Would Cork have taken Limerick to the brink in extra-time in a Munster Final? Not on 2022 form anyway. Under new management I think Cork will improve massively and surge past Clare given that they won Minor and U20 All-Ireland’s last year. Brian Lohan worked the oracle with Clare. Unfortunately today the loss of John Conlon was colossal.

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Planning for 2023 starts now

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Look, I don’t think Clare are that good, I felt that if they got over today they would have been murdered in the final, but kudos to Kilkenny, they were very good.
I think Cork are as good as anybody except the obvious,
Sometimes the scoreboard doesn’t tell the whole story :man_shrugging:
But it’s all just talk anyway, it’s obvious to anybody with a hole in their arse that Limerick would cruise to the title this year

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Any update from John Fogarty in the past few weeks on his recent suggestion for yet another restructuring of the hurling championship?

Here is my proposal to rebalance the Liam MacCarthy Cup by providing an extra All-Ireland series spot to a Munster team

Title: To rebalance the Liam MacCarthy Cup.

Proposal: To provide an extra All-Ireland series spot to a Munster team.

Method(s): 1. Take one of the qualifying spots in the Leinster senior hurling championship and give it to Munster. The top four teams in Munster progress to the All-Ireland series along with the best two sides in Leinster. The third and fourth-placed Munster sides face the Joe McDonagh Cup finalists in the preliminary rounds.

  1. Retain Leinster’s three spots but only award the winners of the McDonagh Cup a preliminary quarter-final berth and give the runners-up’s place to the fourth-placed Munster side. They face the third-placed county in Leinster, the equivalent in Munster facing the McDonagh Cup victors.

Rationale: The Munster SHC has proven to be a superior championship to the eastern competition. It has produced the last two All-Ireland final pairings. In 2020 and ‘21, 10 of the 11 Munster-Leinster championship games have been won by the Munster team, the exception being Galway’s 2020 All-Ireland quarter-final win over Tipperary.

Only Galway and Kilkenny, this year’s top two in Leinster, have beaten Munster opposition in the championship since 2016 when Wexford defeated Cork.

However, in its round-robin guise, the Munster SHC has become cannibalistic and too competitive, considerably more so than the Leinster SHC, which includes the teams that finished second from bottom in Division 1, Group B and the Division 2 winners.

Unlike in Munster, there are opportunities against them to rotate and rest players. Yet the rewards for emerging from the provinces are the same. As a result, the integrity of the All-Ireland is undermined.

Referees: John Mullane, 2018: “I think this new championship is designed for a Leinster team to push on and win the All-Ireland.”

Tony Kelly, 2022: “Y ou just need to be in that (top) three whatever number you are, you need to be in that three and assess it then at the end, whether you’re in a Munster final (for the top two finishers) or heading to a qualifier to get into a quarter-final.”

Dissents and responses: “ Tipperary and Waterford don’t deserve to progress”

Fail to win a game and you can certainly have no complaints about exiting the Liam MacCarthy Cup in May but Waterford, for all their difficulties with the round-robin structure, are a mite unfortunate.

Kudos to Wexford, they were only beaten once but their heavy win over Laois proved to be the difference in them advancing ahead of Dublin.

Waterford didn’t have the luxury of unloading on an inferior team (as an aside, if the league continues to be disregarded as it was this year should the winners be rewarded in the championship?)

“Wasn’t the final round of the Leinster SHC more exciting?”

One game was, yes, but up to then the height of the hype was a handshake. So much of the last day’s drama has to do with the sequencing of games, which adds an artificial element to the conclusion of the competition.

Like 2018 and ‘19, the final round pairings were Kilkenny v Wexford and Dublin v Galway.

Munster doesn’t need to “fix” the draw to ensure final day drama – by the way, next year’s last round will see Limerick host Cork and Tipperary entertain Waterford, a reverse of this year’s opening fixtures.

In 2023, the first round pits Waterford against Limerick in Walsh Park if it is available and Clare versus Tipperary in Ennis.

“Limerick haven’t lost any of their last 10 Munster games, winning nine of them.”

True indeed but not exactly a damning statistic of the province when Cork and Waterford recovered to face them a second time in the 2021 and ‘20 All-Ireland finals. Tipperary, the last county to beat them in Munster, revived themselves after their 2019 Munster final thumping to win the All-Ireland, beating a Kilkenny team who had downed Limerick.

Disclaimer: This proposal does not fully support the protectionist move led by Cork to try and avoid a Munster SHC team being relegated from the Liam MacCarthy Cup.

If Kerry beat Antrim in Saturday week’s Joe McDonagh Cup, they shouldn’t have to play another game to qualify for the Munster SHC if they feel they are ready to make the ascension next season.

Laois and Tipperary are hardly comparable when their games are weighted. A relegation play-off between the two? It’s a fairer suggestion than what Kerry are being asked to do next month.

Conclusion: The Munster Council can’t simply be satisfied that they are in possession of hurling’s best competition. If it is that good, which it is, and that cut-throat, which is most certainly is the case, then they should fight for it to have a greater standing in the All-Ireland. It is most definitely a championship in a championship but if it is to retain its vaunted status it can’t continue to eat itself.

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Fogarty is a fucking eejit. Please don’t post his rubbish here.

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Surely Leinster with an extra team competing should get an extra qualifying spot? Westmeath a big loss to the knockout stages this year.

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All family’s have disagreements from time to time and thats what we are in KK.Family.

Sure name me a Father/Son that hasnt got pissed off with his Son/Father at some stage and ill show you a liar.Codys pure Kilkenny and doesnt countenance anyone and anything that is a threat or what he perceives as disloyalty.

Henry going to Galway was exactly that.
I dont agree with his behavior,personally but can see both sides.

Anyway,we march on and will try and be competitive the next day.

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The big pity for Clare is that Lohan didn’t get the job 2 or 3 years earlier than he did when they had a plethora of elite forwards. I think they lamped it because they couldn’t work it out under that pressure.

Paudie Fitz going in centre back shows they lack a bit of depth in the panel.

Meehan looks a super prospect, but for all it was a really good year, theres a bit of a rebuilding job on.

What a final this should be now. Hopefully Limerick make shit of Galway.

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Clare didn’t run at Kilkenny from out the field anywhere near enough. And you could say that some of that was down to Kilkenny pressure but Clare took on some crazy shots from way out the field when not under that much pressure, but could have worked it into a better position. Fitzgerald early on ran at Kilkenny a few times and got a couple of scores but then he also relapsed into taking shots off the back foot or without looking at the posts.

The inside forward line were given poor ball at times but they were also absolutely cleaned out on 50/50s. This happened against Limerick twice, so the warnings were there. Peter Duggan is not related to an inside forward, and it’s really weird that he was persisted with inside there when he would have offered so much more at half-forward.

Poor decision-making including shot selection was the real killer; even when they had a bit of momentum in the second half, they were still taking on crazy shots and Kilkenny were the ones who were calmer in possession and just working the score.

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Clare peaked for Limerick. Seems to be a malaise over them since in the two games vs Wexford and Kilkenny.

Credit Kilkenny in fairness. Their efficiency was off the charts. Lawlor, Deegan, Reid etc all won their individual battles.

TJ Reid, Mullen from out the field and Cody then turned the screw.

A baffling one though realistically for Lohan. Clare normally perform well in Croke park. Conlon obviously was a massive loss but bar a few of their backs - a lot of the Clare team seemed way off it.

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I only saw the first half, was a an anniversary mass but Conlan being missing seemed to totally mess their system of playing out, for all KK weren’t being beaten today.

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You’d feel sorry for Clare & Kilkenny in equal measure.

Clare played their AI in the Munster Final.

Kilkenny just won their AI this afternoon.

At least KK have the Leinster Final although they won’t be happy with that as their lot either.

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And the biggest one. Mikey Butler vs Tony Kelly.

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Its a hard one to fathom. Clare just pucked long ball after long ball. It was braindead as Kilkenny just swept it up.

I wonder was Tony Kelly not fully fit?