I questioned his point.
Itâs up to him to substantiate what he is saying.
Or would turn you away at the door as part of their eanny meany minny mo policy
I compared their initial response to dealing with Covid last summer. I never compared their relative cases/fatalities.
My point was that Sweden had far more fatalities than Ireland. While I was wrong about the multiples I did qualify it by saying Irelndâs figures werenât good.
This lad would suggest itâs much less
And this lad isnât too perturbed about sweden. Iâll give you the final word
A helping hand for the mathematically illiterate.
Sweden has a population of 10.14 million, 20% are over 65 so thatâs ~2.0 million in this most at risk group. Ireland has a population of 4.98 million, 14% are over 65, so 700k at most risk. A multiple of X2.9, so Sweden had ~ 3 times the population of people most at risk, the people restrictions are meant to protect.
80% of Covid deaths worldwide are in the over 65 group (95% over 50). 80% of Swedenâs Covid deaths is 10,652, and 80% of Irelandâs Covid deaths is 3,670, a ratio of ?
How successful was Ireland (and most other places) at protecting their vulnerable compared to Sweden?
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I thought this has been debated on here ad nauseum and established as fact. The statistics illustrate that when you age adjust respective populations (Ireland having one of the youngest in EU) there is no discernable difference if you are a 65 year old in Sweden or Ireland and your chances of dying from/ âwithâ Covid.
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Correct, but you still have lads who argue how badly Sweden have done compared to Norway and Finland, but refuse to compare any other European countries to them.
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Accepting that we have 700k over 65, and looking at the vaccine figures being quoted (albeit including healthcare workers) we should have our most vulnerable vaccinated in jig-time.
And yet it ainât so. Curioser and curioser.
The gymnastics being delivered to avoid like with like comparison is very entertaining. Ye should get @Enrique to cc ye on his email to the Swedish government telling them that their approach has been, contrary to their own belief, a resounding success. Attach this new back of a fag box calc. I think thatâs 3 pieces of irrefutable evidence the TFK experts have now delivered.
Iâm expecting a fair jump again in cases today.
2 local Primary Schools have had outbreaks and sent classes home.
Kids are obviously showing symptoms which would be a worry.
Seems to be in a state of plateau
Stop testing.
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Sweden has been a success, a great success in relative terms. It just melts your head they havenât locked people up showing a common sense alternative to your dream of wfh and having an excuse not to leave your gaff. Youâre the type of curtain twitcher that loves that people arenât out enjoying life.
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Standing still with schools open is probably a decent result. The UK reckon the schools are worth 0.5 of an r rate
Even the Telegraph has taken pity on the clusterfuck that is the EU vaccine shambles.
Just as in 1945, Britain can offer victory in Europe
The European Union wants to grab supplies of the AstraZeneca vaccine, including those from the Halix factory in Leyden, Holland. This is particularly rich, since Halixâs production success owes much to a team sent over at Christmas by Kate Binghamâs Vaccine Task Force. The company was lagging behind the production of the same vaccine in Oxford. It needed our help to achieve the necessary scale by installing 1,000-litre bio-reactors.
Britain was able to step in because it was about five months ahead of EU plans for vaccine deployment. Its assistance was good both for this country and for the EU. This is part of the context in which the EU, so desperate to avoid blame for its own sloth and maladministration, now threatens to break contracts and deprive Britain of vaccines coming out of Halix and other continental suppliers.
Almost everyone here agrees that the EUâs behaviour is disgraceful, and that Britain is within its rights. Even inside the EU, public opinion is dismayed. How best, though, to react?
I would tentatively suggest that this country is in a position to be super-nice. We are way ahead of Europe, and we already have enough AstraZeneca vaccine to administer the second doses we need. In the slightly longer term, everything seems to be on track for our plentiful supply of Novovax (60 million doses) and Valdema. So long as Europe sticks by its promise to deliver the second doses of Pfizer-BioNTech our vulnerable need, we should consider helping.
Obviously, it is our absolute duty to vaccinate all vulnerable British residents first; but if that duty is discharged, is it essential that we rush forward at the same pace to vaccinate everyone else? We already have enough to cover âpriority groupingsâ 1 to 9. The drive to get every 25-year-old vaccinated by the summer is good propaganda but will have little impact on death and infection rates if our vulnerable are already safe.
There is a moral case for helping the EU. Britain has the capacity to help rescue millions of elderly on the Continent and thus prevent thousands of deaths by offering some of its own vaccines.
There is an economic case, too. Even when we become well protected here â a day which is not far off â we shall not be able to recover economic normality if our neighbours continue to be locked down. We could free Europe from that curse. If it can be done, it will be the best lead we have given to Europe since 1945.
Youâve read that wrong.
This article from a few days ago is a decent summary of the problems with vaccination in the EU. The problems are overstated in my view. The headline is a bit sensational but the content here is fair.
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These was great fanfare in here after Christmas when Sweden stopped listening to @Enrique and hinted at a move towards tougher restrictions. Going by the Oxford stringency index and conversations with my pal over there this doesnât seem to have amounted to much tangible action. Contact sport was restricted for a while and numbers allowed in restaurants were decreased but donât think there was much else.