Coronavirus - Here come the variants

Yes, that’s almost certainly the case. But the more cases and infections there are the more mutations there will be and so the higher possibility of an even more deadly strain. Now I have absolutely no expertise in virology or epidemiology (I know that’s a very un-tfk thing to admit) so I don’t know where the tipping point is on a scale of “no covid”, therefore no infections, no mutations, and high infection rates and therefore more mutations. With the further unknown of how likely it is that a very deadly version will emerge.

Personally, while I recognise that “no covid” is pretty much unachievable, the nearer we get to it the happier I’d be.

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This is over for now or about to end. Cases are falling. It’s seasonal maybe. Vaccinations are protecting the vulnerable so hospitalization and deaths are de minimis.

The issue now is whether if and when cases rise again in Autumn will we face another lockdown. That to me is where all the focus should be.

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It wouldn’t last a day without it’s hashtag

What do you mean by ‘work’?

Well, that point is simply not true.

Funnily enough that’s what nolan was saying this morning, so it must be true

South Africa - no lockdown

Ireland - lockdown

On what basis did the lockdown that you said was needed work better there?

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Any ‘facts’ and ‘logic’ to back up this stuff @Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy?

Ah fuck off. OK I take it back. Can’t be seen to agreeing with that cunt.

You says it didn’t work. So tell me how it didn’t work and what you mean by work?

I’ve given you the data on flu v Covid.

The rest are things that I never said and it’s the Donald Trump type tactics an idiot like you is reduced to when it comes to facts and logic.

It didn’t work as 160k more cases happened and 2.6k more deaths happened after level 5 was introduced.

South Africa didn’t bother with a lockdown and it just fizzled out itself in a similar manner to Ireland.

So the question is how did it work?

I don’t know about the South Africa situation and taking a random country from the other side of the world with little Covid hotspots around it doesn’t really adding anything.

“the data on flu v Covid”

No, you have not given that data. Do give it to us. Go on.

Where is that data? Lodged in the saddle bag of Bill Gates’ unicorn as he rides through Cloud Cuckoo Land?

A = a stupid sentence.

B = words.

C = an intelligent sentence.

But does A equal C?

This is like two fuckers with no flutes having a dick-measuring contest.

Yes, because your government made things a lot worse by telling people it was OK to congregate indoors. But even where governments told people not to, people still did it to some degree. How many people went to mass in Ireland at Christmas?

I am not against restrictions at all. Stopping all large events, and especially indoor gatherings was the right thing to do. Educating on social distancing, masks indoors in shops, the fact it was airborne.

I think overall most populations did a reasonable job protecting the vulnerable, otherwise the death rate would have been an order of magnitude higher. I wouldn’t give government a lot of credit for that though.

So you only want to have tunnel vision. You don’t want to look at statistics or comparisons?

You’re blinded to lockdowns were the right thing to do irrespective of the reality.

There’s no basis that lockdowns work, you look all across Europe. There are no countries who have really been able to suppress the virus through lockdowns after the initial first wave but you want to baselessly suggest they work?

That’s fine, you’re entitled to you opinion but you have not put anything substantive forward to support it.

I’ve been over this before,
If you are interested in making some money for next Christmas I am willing to bet whatever sum you want that we will have no level 5 lockdown next winter, just name the figure

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You’re continuing to now make false allegations about what I said.

Very Donald Trumpian of you.

See you came on here, you tried to throw your weight about, I called you out for your inability to be articulate and reasoned and you have behaved like a perpetual clown since.

You have exhibited to the whole forum that framing an intelligent argument is just beyond your grasp.

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Yes I absolutely agree. And I think that we should be progressing towards that normality faster than NPHET want us to go and faster than our government will allow us to go. I think that at every stage Ireland has looked to shit things down rather than making any effort to facilitate the doing of things we can do safely.

But I think we’re nearly there.

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