But the vaccinated can carry the virus and transmit it, and are much more likely to do do than those who have had Covid. The safest people to be around are those that have had Covid, so you should be demanding antibody tests.
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You are taking it as gospel.
Other studies demonstrate the opposite.
As I said, there have been serious problems with the study pointed out. It remains to be peer reviewed.
It is a trivial decision. The respective risks are known, both on an individual level and a societal level.
People are free to believe what they want, including baseless beliefs.
Like my missus and eldest who got COVID at Christmas they are now fully vaxxed but as I keep telling them they are nearly bulletproof at this stage myself and the youngest are nearly sorry we didnāt get it with them back thenš¤£
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Escape mutations from the vaccines potentially equalling new variants?
Fire up the studies that looked at large numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated months after vaccination or infection and came to the conclusion that vaccine immunity is stronger. Iāll save you some time, there are none.
What are the āserious problemsā with the Israel study? Itās a preprint, so obviously not peer reviewed or published yet, but all research falls into that category. I doubt you know anything about the peer review process.
People who are vaccinated can carry the virus but they are much less likely to develop serious symptoms and are less likely to be infectious. Itās also about respect. Respecting the individual and respecting society. I see those who refuse to be vaccinated as having no respect either for other individuals or for society, or even for themselves. Those who refuse the vaccination may ask āwhy donāt you respect my choiceā, and I would answer āyou are free to do what you want, but if you choose to put me and others at risk, I donāt respect thatā. I see those who refuse to be vaccinated as having around the same respect for others as drink drivers do.
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And that would be your prerogative entirely.
Vaccinated people can still contract and transmit the virus. The main reason to take the vaccine is to avoid getting seriously ill from the virus. Recent studies on vaccinated and unvaccinated people that have contracted the disease have shown that the viral load is similar in both. I genuinely do not get your point. What does ābeing an arsehole as regards vaccinationā mean? Could it mean trying to mandate vaccines or push them on young children?
Mandating vaccines is about protecting society in a pandemic. This is a collective problem.
Itās up to scientists to decide whether young children should be eligible for vaccination, not me.
āPushingā is very conspiratorial language and designed to equate health authorities to illegal drug pushers.
So one of the most common things you hear from the immune illiterate is that variants emerge from uncontrolled infection. That is somewhat true, because as the virus reproduces billions of times in each human it infects and thousands of trillions of times worldwide it will mutate and variants will emerge. However, if everyone was vaccinated the selective pressure on the virus is to favor mutations that escape vaccine immunity. The only thing we can say with certainty is that the virus will continue to mutate and new variants will emerge, with or without vaccination.
Incorrect. Itās up to parents of young children to decide if they should be eligible for vaccination. Not you. And not scientists.
Andrew Croxford outlines them in this thread:
No, itās up to scientists.
If the parents of a young child wanted them to get vaccinated now, they could not do so, because young children are currently not eligible.
Also deeming an age group eligible for vaccination is not making it compulsory. People over 80 are still free to refuse the vaccine should they so wish.
Iām glad to see youāve changed your tune on this. @gaillimhmick was pointing you to a few articles by a scientist that understands what heās taking about, and who warned that the COVID vaccines are leaky vaccines. They confer limited immunity and do not stop people getting sick or transmitting the virus. They will also need regular boosters. Worst of all, leaky vaccines set up a constant mutation in the viruses they protect against because viruses evolve to get around vaccines. Due to the mutant viruses that the vaccinated are shedding, the roll out of these vaccines in the middle of a pandemic could be looked upon in time as a massive public health mistake. They will also be viewed as a massive financial coup.
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Iām just pointing out that your problem is not solved by demanding vaccination. In terms of safety you would be much better off asking for a recent antibody test, as it gives current immunity status of the individual. Immunity wears off so there is no guarantee that anyone you encounter is safe, best assume that everyone is a risk.
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Aye. Handing out these injectables during a pandemic would have been bad enough if they didnāt take weeks to gain potency, meanwhile the injected encounters the virus which now has the vaccine to practice on.
You literally couldnāt make it up etc
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Sorry but the more people that are vaccinated, the safer everybody will be.
If weāre serious about making society as safe from this virus as possible, this will happen in tandem with non pharmaceutical interventions like masks, social distancing where possible, mass testing (PCR and antigen), and better ventilation.
Trust no one.
Youāre proposing to make society safe with interventions that you genuinely, and I mean this with no disrespect, have no clue about the long-term implications of. What we need is proper public health policies that factor all of these things, rather than slavishly drooling over case numbers like NPHET.
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The Alpha, B.1351 and P.1 and Delta variants all emerged before vaccination.
Mass spread enables variants to evolve.