Covid 19 🐐- It's Back Baby!

[Tierneevin1979]

No, it could not be argued as it’s bollox. All organisms including humans undergo genetic variation over time. It’s the reason you have six fingers on each hand.

[Tim_Riggins]

I think you need to reflect on why you are unable to have a normal discussion with people. Your first ever “interaction” with me was a broadsided attack.

[Tim_Riggins]

Variants were originally denied by hardcore C19 lockdowners but became the flavour of the month from Dec-20 once the vaccine came on board.

[carryharry]

you cunt

[Malarkey]

@Tierneevin1979

You’re right, Sweden had the same lockdown measures as everyone else.

I did not make that assertion. I simply gave you some corrective facts. Unlike some people, I do not comment on something unless I know what I am saying is factually correct at least.

The one thing TFK has taught me, above all else? How childish nearly all right wing people are.

[Malarkey]

@Tim_Riggins

I think you need to reflect on why you are unable to have a normal discussion with people. Your first ever “interaction” with me was a broadsided attack.

As is perfectly obvious to anyone but the warped, I have perfectly normal discussions – mainly about hurling – with many people on here, both in public and in private. The reality is that I detest you – with eminently good reason. Your ego cannot seem to accept this reality. I guess you are not used to people like me.

Now, politely once more, stop addressing me. I can live, quite happily, without knowing the source of your fascination with me.

[Cheasty]

@Tim_Riggins

Variants were originally denied by hardcore C19 lockdowners but became the flavour of the month from Dec-20 once the vaccine came on board.

If you look back to when the first major variant appeared pre-Christmas 2020 it was @Tierneevin1979 who was poo-pooing it.

@Tierneevin1979

I think it’s the latest in a series of clownish pronouncements from the UK government, yes. I’ve seen zero science to back up their bullshit.

@Tierneevin1979

Of all the nonsense regarding Covid, the shite talk on how contagious the virus is takes the biscuit. In the reporting from the UK, government officials are quoted as saying the R number is increasing from 1.1-1.2 to 1.4 due to this new strain. It’s complete horseshit. The basic reproductive number R0 is at least 3 and maybe 5 or 6. The actual transmission rate Rt depends on a multitude of factors, but it basically comes down to how many people are interacting closely with other people in a location where the virus is in circulation. What drives the Rt up is people’s behavior, far more than the genomic sequence of the individual strain.

But short lived poster @Padraig_O_Gammon was in little doubt that the variant was indeed real and a serious problem. He was sadly proved correct.

@Padraig_O_Gammon

But Chris Whitty and John Edmonds are saying it’s real. Now, who knows, maybe I’m naive, but these are actual experts, and I don’t think they’d make stuff up for the fun of it.

If there is even a chance that what they are saying is true, then it’s a very serious development and countries are right to shut down travel from the UK.

Would you agree that a virus with the same effects but with 70% increased transmissibility would be a very serious public health matter, more serious than the already serious situation?

And that therefore, approaching the situation on the basis that this news is true is by far the most rational approach for policy makers?

[Heyyoubehindthebushes]

[Tierneevin1979]

But you see there is your problem in a nutshell, as factual means indisputable and there is nothing indisputible about Covid, not in 2020 and not now. Like all of science there are hypotheses that can be tested and maybe eventually lead to a theory, but even then rarely in science do you hear the term factual or true. Literally all theories are eventually overturned as we learn more, Einstein was wrong about quantum mechanics and most likely wrong about even his own field of relatively.

It’s understandable that yourself and the other lads with liberal arts degrees, who probably studied a bit of philosophy, to fall into this trap. You are used to thinking in terms of proofs and truths, but it’s not applicable to science.

It’s perfectly acceptable to admit you were wrong in the past, in fact it’s the hallmark of a good scientist.

[Tim_Riggins]

@Malarkey

As is perfectly obvious to anyone but the warped, I have perfectly normal discussions – mainly about hurling – with many people on here, both in public and in private. The reality is that I detest you – with eminently good reason. Your ego cannot seem to accept this reality. I guess you are not used to people like me.

Now, politely once more, stop addressing me. I can live, quite happily, without knowing the source of your fascination with me.

And yet you reply to me repeatedly with abuse and personal details. Your first reply to me *ever *was when you had documented down details on me and decided to attack. You need to have a look in the mirror to check the old ego (with a giant chip to boot) and how you interact with other people. Nothing in my post was abusive .

[gaillimhmick]

@Malarkey

@gaillimhmick

Good man, it’s very important to have ambitions. I’d say you have a right sup in already today.

Ah yeah, I have a bottle of Green Spot drank already. [Hint: repeating the same inadequate nonsense is not wit. Quite the opposite.] But I would, even if I had, still be a fair bit more coherent than you at your very best.

Then again, I suppose being so egotistical is an awful big help for the likes of you. If you were not so egotistical, being so stupid sure would be an awful drag.

I have met a lot of ladeens like you. One eyebrow, same amount of brain cells. I suppose ye are to be pitied.

I really appreciate the effort you put into your responses to me. It is commendable.

[Enrique]

He had obviously been reading your posts for a long period without ever signing up here, and having internal monologue, imaginary debates with you. The weirdo was taking mental notes about you (and possibly written ones, with a biro) and then exploded into action on his first actual written post to you. The chip on the shoulder is all of the envious, resentment kind - a very, very sad individual

[Juhniallio]

@farmerinthecity

The jollying up bit? No it didn’t and nor should it

Vulnerable were protected, particularly in the early days and if there is one thing out of the whole pandemic which could b/c said was wrong it was that. People dying alone FFS sake.

But what seems to be suggested is that the vulnerable should shoulder the entire burden of that wicked disease, isolate them, and let the rest of us get on with our lives. That would involve an even tighter restriction on them considering the likelihood of the general population including carers being riddled with it.

I think you’re wrong here mate. Old people often known as bedblockers were fucked out of hospitals into nursing homes without even being tested. Many had covid they had contracted in hospitals and then spread it throughout nursing homes. Hundreds died as a result. The vulnerable (as in older people) were very much an afterthought in this situation.

[Tim_Riggins]

Mistakes were made but I don’t believe they were an afterthought. Even the original delay in banning visits was because of the social isolation it caused.

[glenshane]

Whatever happened to the mad ventilator scramble of 2020? Factories converted, public announcements about overseas procurement, millions spent. All quietly shelved and not a word about how many were saved…or killed

[Batigol]

@glenshane

millions spent

That’s the important bit

[Juhniallio]

We knew from elsewhere that the elderly were most vulnerable. A pretty massive mistake to throw people into nursing homes without being tested. A huge number of the early deaths were in nursing homes.
I dont think anyone intentionally killed anyonr, obviously, but the suggestion that the vulnerable were protected from the outset is pretty wrong. They were inadvertently put at huge danger and paid the ultimate price. The nursing homes were also back of the queue for resources and protective gear too. Another mistake i suppose.

[Bisto]

So a step was missed ,in not testing them, but the ultimate aim was to protect them .

[Juhniallio]

Not in my opinion.
I’d say they werent the focus of it at all. I think the thinking went…‘we need to get rid of all these old fuckers quick cos we’re gonna need space for real people…get them into homes asap’.

[Tank]

It was a devastating lickdown.