Ibrahim Halawa

What facts am I not accepting?

So you can’t list any factual issues with what MH wrote. Glad that’s settled.

Yes but the Birmingham Six :joy:

You’re not accepting the central fact of the case, and the only fact that matters, that Ibrahim Halawa is innocent.

Otherwise you would not be posting an article that attempts (and fails) to dispute this.

Why can’t you explain your contradictory position as regards two cases in which innocent people were locked up?

The answer is that one involved Irish Catholics, the other involves an Irish Muslim.

Please answer the questions I asked you in this post.

You have so far evaded them.

I have not disputed that Ibra was acquitted anywhere.

Failure, again, on your behalf.

MH article is factually correct.

Good, that’s a start.

So, you’re now admitting to whataboutery.

Whataboutery is the tool of somebody whose argument doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

Such as you.

There’s no contradiction, except in your muddled mind.

Your silly argument is once someone is found innocent by a court they are to be deemed innocent. OJ Simpson was found innocent in a court, regardless of the evidence that demonstrated his guilt. All justice systems have flaws, it’s the cost of freedom.

Why do you support the Muslim Brotherhood?
Is it because of your hatred for women?

The same guys on here mewling about Muslims not respecting women’s rights also saying they want rape victims to go through 9 months of pregnancy and give birth to a child from the rapist.

You couldn’t actually make this up.

Who has expressed that view, you dimwit?

I posted a factual article about Ibra’s time in Egypt. You don’t like the facts presented so you’re getting emotional, again. It’s been a rough few weeks for you.

The only whataboutery is coming from you… the Guildford 4 :smiley:

I’m off out to happy hour, assume, as usual you will have nothing relevant to retort with, enjoy your midnight internetting in your parents house!

People are never found innocent in court. They can be found "not guilty " which essentially means that there isn’t enough to convict of the charge. Whereas you may be innocent of a charge if you’re acquitted it’s based on the weight of the evidence (or lack of same) and nothing else

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The hilarity of you bringing OJ Simpson into the argument is no doubt lost on you. It really is tremendously funny to see such a meltdown.

The rest of the post is almost as funny.

And still you can’t answer the questions about your support of the Egyptian dictatorship, while you confuse supporting the release of an innocent prisoner with support for a political group.

Why are you deliberately confusing support for the release of an innocent prisoner with support for a political group?

It’s the sort of thing only a simpleton would do. You would agree with this, yes?

If all else fails for you, and it it has, just shout “you hate women”. :grin:

You’re humiliating yourself. Take that as kind advice.

You posted an article by a well known far right idiot who nobody in Ireland takes remotely seriously, which was written for no other reason than to deny the innocence of Ibrahim Halawa. In fact Humphrys is considered an absolute laughing stock by anybody with even a tenuous knowledge of the Irish blogging scene.

The Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four are extremely relevant and pertinent comparisons to the Halawa case and anybody who has any knowledge of the history of innocent Irish people being incarcerated abroad knows this.

The contradictions in the reactions of posters here clearly demonstrate that their views on justice for the innocent are coloured by both religion and race.

Enjoy your happy hour in whatever far flung Trump supporter-infested shithole you had to flee Ireland for. Just try not to kill anybody driving home, or shoot anybody.

Agreed, not guilty is the appropriate legal term.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Except in the minds of people who ignore facts and have their minds already made up.

Ibrahim Halawa is innocent.

Suck it up, you bitter man.

You are assuming Ibrahim Halawa is innocent because charges against him were dropped by the Egyptian government, under pressure from the Irish government. This is a nonsensical assumption, given that the Muslim Brotherhood are illegal in Egypt and Halawa is most certainly an advocate for the MB and travelled to Egypt to advocate for them. Advocating for the MB is a crime in Egypt, end of story.

But continue defending the women haters, at least you have nailed your true colors to the mast.

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So your argument is because Ibrahim Halawa was freed by the Egyptian government, he is innocent.
By the same logic as the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6 were convicted , they must be guilty.
What a simpleton you are.

Again you labour under the central misapprehension that you’ve laboured under all along on this thread. You refuse to accept the innocence of an innocent man.

And we all know why that is.

You and the other members of your cowering rabble of a mob, all of you terrified like pathetic man-babies of your entirely imagined bogeyperson of “political correctness” one a self-admitted rapist, the rest lemming-like Trump supporters, are the only women-haters here.

The central tenet of social liberalism is equal treatment of women. You take every opportunity to remind everybody that not only are you not a liberal, but that you hate liberalism and liberals.

This is very instructive. The very ideology that you claim to hate is the one that you have most in common with.

Your logic is to deny his innocence because he’s a Muslim.

And now it looks as if you’re trying to cast doubt on the innocence of the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four too.

Some Irishman you are. :smile:

As always you resort to making stuff up when you are losing an Internet argument.

No advocate for the Muslim Brotherhood is innocent. If you support the Muslim Brotherhood, you support the depraved practice of genital mutilation and the horrific treatment of women in Muslim majority countries. Most Muslims living in the west do not support the Muslim Brotherhood nor fundamentalist Islam, so yes they are entirely innocent.

Odd that a self proclaimed “liberal” can’t bring himself to condemn the Muslim Brotherhood and their supporters. It’s typical of the left however, appalled that anyone could criticize the Halawa family, yet head in the sand regarding their links to and support of the Muslim Brotherhood. You are welcome to that kind of “liberalism”.