Irish Neutrality

[StoneCold]

There is clear majority support for the retention of Ireland’s current model of neutrality, the latest Irish Times/Ipsos opinion poll has found, but voters also want to see the State “significantly increase its military capacity” to defend airspace and territorial waters.

Asked if they support the State’s current model of military neutrality or if they would like to see it change, 61 per cent of voters said they favoured the current model, while just more than a quarter (26 per cent) said they would like to see it change. Thirteen per cent of respondents expressed no opinion.

Among voters who favour a change in the policy of neutrality, there is majority support for joining Nato and closer EU defence co-operation. Among these voters 71 per cent are in favour of joining a closer EU defence co-operation, while 56 per cent support joining Nato.

Though the poll findings represent a decline in support for neutrality of five points since last year, strong support remains for the status quo as the Government prepares to hold a series of public discussions about the future of Ireland’s neutrality and defence policy in general, which begin next week.

However, there is also strong support (55 per cent) for “significantly increasing Ireland’s military capacity” to defend airspace and territorial waters. But a majority of voters who expressed an opinion are also in favour of seeking help from other countries for our defence needs.

Asked if Ireland should seek help from other countries to protect our undersea internet cables – a mounting concern in Europe and the United States – 48 per cent said we should seek help, with 36 per cent saying we should “use our own Defence Forces”. Three per cent said the cables do not require protection, while 13 per cent said they do not know.

Asked about the arrangement under which the British Royal Air Force defends Irish airspace, 40 per cent said they were happy with the arrangement, 12 per cent said they were unhappy, 12 per cent said they were neither happy nor unhappy, while 33 per cent said they were unaware of it.

The poll was conducted among 1,200 adults at 120 sampling points across all constituencies between June 11th-13th. Respondents were interviewed at their own homes. The accuracy is estimated at plus or minus 2.8 per cent.

[Cheasty]

So you’re not a socialist, you’re a Tory.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Cheasty

So you’re not a socialist, you’re a Tory.

You’ve proved my point. I said you would run away from what’s charged at you with nonsensical rubbish. Boris Johnson like you is an ardent supporter of Western imperialism and the neo-nazi Ukrainian military. I have no problem in calling out both Russian and Western imperialism, I’m not aligned with either.

Can you address any of the below or will you just resort to the desperate lies you spout.

All you offer is desperate deflection tactics of misrepresenting others when your hypocrisy and insincerity is pointed out to you. You’re not able to explain why you are unwilling to condemn or address the neo-Nazi elements of Ukraine military, the corruption of the Ukrainian govt, the tyrannical regimes, apartheid states and genocidal dictators the West have and continue to back. When these contradictions are called out, you won’t address them - you’ll only sling mud. You’re the perfect example of far right grift, dishonesty and propaganda.

We want to hear why you’ve no issue with Western imperialism, their support for Israel and Saudi Arabia, the countless genocidal fascist dictators they helped to powers and supported in the past, the neo-Nazi regiments of Ukrainian military, Zelensky’s zionism and trail of corruption. You’re a complete and utter hypocrite and we all know you for the nasty little jumped up fascist you are.

[Tim_Riggins]

The forum offers the chance to discuss all issues including how our policy of neutrality works, something which the majority what to strengthen to continue to allow that. That is something the public wants going by that poll.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4dcb-frequently-raised-topics/

The “no to NATO” brigade set won’t allow any discussion whatsoever. For example, how can you not want any change but be happy for Britain to help police our skies? This is a point I made long ago here when it wasn’t widely known what role the RAF played here.

Aviation Disasters

That’s myopic thinking. A Republic should be able to police its skies and seas. Ireland can’t because we don’t spend the relatively small amount of money to do so. Instead we have the RAF trailing Russian planes down the West Coast. Irish Republic indeed. Irish people have some bizarre notions about any type of defense spending. Seeing morons mentioning Iraq is bloody hilarious. History moves on, the world order will naturally in time be upended again. The idea that we should have a Constitu…

It appears as though the likes of @Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy would prefer for Britain to oversee our sovereignty.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Tim_Riggins

The forum offers the chance to discuss all issues including how our policy of neutrality works, something which the majority what to strengthen to continue to allow that. That is something the public wants going by that poll.

gov.ie - Consultative Forum: Frequently raised topics

The “no to NATO” brigade set won’t allow any discussion whatsoever. For example, how can you not want any change but be happy for Britain to help police our skies? This is a point I made long ago here when it wasn’t widely known what role the RAF played here.

The forum is rigged with pro-NATO shills and military lunatics.

It’s the govt who won’t allow the other side in on the debate.

[Cheasty]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

The forum is rigged with pro-NATO shills and military lunatics.

Mate

@Nembo_Kid

Mussolini made the trains run on time in Italy.

Il Duce.

@Cicero_Dandi

Putin is a great leader.

@Nembo_Kid

I’m pro Russian guys. I hope Putin can civilise the west.

@Cicero_Dandi

Putin is absolutely loving this. Russia will become no 1 again.

Hon Vlad.

@Cicero_Dandi

Putin is a great leader and is playing a blinder on global issues. If we go to WW3 I’m definitely siding with the Russians.

@Il_Bomber_Destro

To be compared to Hitler is a great honour, however.

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

Is Mein Kampf a good read?

@Cicero_Dandi

I like Gemma.

@Cicero_Dandi

I think Gemma O’Doherty would make a great President. She will tackle the snowflakes and sleveen FF/FG types.

@Cicero_Dandi

I think Gemma O’Doherty would make a great President. She will tackle the snowflakes and sleveen FF/FG types.

@Cicero_Dandi

This was a great tweet from Gemma and she is dead right.

@Cicero_Dandi

Gemma bang on the money again.

@Cicero_Dandi

Gemma reminds me a lot of Carrie Mathison. On the face of it she is a crazy person, she commits reckless and endangering acts and doesn’t think of the consequences but she means well and she has done her country great service.

@Cicero_Dandi

Gemma is a credit to her nation.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

But we’re asking you? Are you above addressing your hypocrisy? I can say that you have pulled those selective quotes out of context as usual to try and shift the focus from yourself.

It’s desperation tactics. You won’t address your lust for imperialism, for how you are happy to support neo-Nazis, how you are happy to support genocidal, apartheid fascist regimes. It shows you up as a vile cyncial, hypocrite. If you are so against fascism and neo-nazism then why can’t you condemn Western support for Israel and Saudi Arabia? If you so for democray in Ukraine then why can’t you address the serious question marks over Zelensky, the Pandora papers and his zionist links?

We all see that you don’t have morals, you just believe in white supermacism and Western ideology should rule the world? You’re a bigot and you’re a coward who is incapable of showing conviction if anything you say as you don’t mean it.

[glasagusban]

Clare Daly trotted out a lot of glenshane and esteban et Al’s pro Russia talking points just there and was politely but quite comprehensively dismantled by the responses just there, made her look quite foolish I think. Wouldn’t be hard says you.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@glasagusban

Clare Daly trotted out a lot of glenshane and esteban et Al’s pro Russia talking points just there and was politely but quite comprehensively dismantled by the responses just there, made her look quite foolish I think. Wouldn’t be hard says you.

Daly isn’t pro Russian. That’s what right wing white supermacists like you try to unfairly tarnish here as. She’s a left leaning politician who wants a peaceful resolution in Ukraine and has a severe distaste for all the bloodshed by Western imperialism across the world.

[Cheasty]

Clare Daly’s “socialism” is of the National variety.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Cheasty

Clare Daly’s “socialism” is of the National variety.

Weren’t you the chap who this week tried to holocaust deny decades of institutional racism in the US?

[StoneCold]

What odds would you have got on at least one of the protesters being a bearded hipster type with a man bun?

Chaotic scenes as Micheál Martin interrupted by anti-NATO protestors at...

[Tim_Riggins]

About 1 in 4 of those who voted in favour of repealing the 8th changed their mind after the Citizens Assembly and debate on abortion.

It appears that the protestors fear is that by just debating this that opinions could shift where they don’t want them to go.

[Cheasty]

The paucity of the quality of debate from the anti-NATO people is most instructive.

All shouting, all dumb soundbytes, personal attacks and non sequiturs.

It’s fucking hilarious that so many of the people who shout “Free Palestine”, which I think anybody with a grain of justice in their heart would agree with, are so anti-Ukraine.

The INTERNET has led so many people into holding totally ludicrous and totally contradictory positions which they cannot defend.

[Tim_Riggins]

Just shouting shame at him, do they have nothing else?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1671801737726816256?s=46&t=jcSMeoduIpPkggX6IuDhBQ

[habanerocat]

Tánaiste Micheál Martin heckled at opening of security forum in Cork

[Jahan]

Even has a ‘where is John Rogers?’ character on the left.

[artfoley]

The whole thing about ditching neutrality is being led by the fart sniffers in iveagh house, the last cunts to pick up a weapon

[glasagusban]

No one anywhere has mentioned ditching neutrality. It’s only loony oddballs like yourself or Fulvio or Mick Wallace or Clare Daly that have said anything about ditching neutrality.

[artfoley]

@glasagusban

No one anywhere has mentioned ditching neutrality. It’s only loony oddballs like yourself or Fulvio or Mick Wallace or Clare Daly that have said anything about ditching neutrality.

What an idiotic response. Why bother having the fora if theres no notion of ditching neutrality?

And to quote the minister of fart sniffing and defence

“Ireland’s commitment to a rules-based international order and our traditional policy of military neutrality do not inure us from the need to respond to this new reality.”